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Is there a non-zero chance that all Python 2.* support will be removed in the future (2-3 years)? I'm with a company that's currently toying with the idea of u

by ambiate 14y ago

Is there a non-zero chance that all Python 2.* support will be removed in the future (2-3 years)? I'm with a company that's currently toying with the idea of using Django in our production environment. Py3 is a no-show in our plan or goals.

gtaylor 14y ago
They've been gradually removing support for older Python 2.x with each release, so it's likely the same will happen with all of Python 2 in the coming years. But that's probably a good thing. Python needs to keep improving, and Python 3 is just flat out a better language.
- mixmastamyk 14y ago
  Isn't it still significantly slower? Even though it probably doesn't matter most of the time, it would helpful for all 3's items to be in the "better column."
  - tshepang 14y ago
    The only significant slowness I've heard of was due to the I/O library, but it was only in 3.0, so has since been fixed. Or were you referring to something else?
jacobian 14y ago
At some point, yes, we'll drop Python 2 support. When really depends on how rapidly we see adoption (from users and re-distributors of Django) and how heavy the dual-version support burden turns out to be. My guess is what we're looking at a longer support window than the 2-3 years you posit, but that's really just a half-assed guess. Anything between "next year" and "never" would be a reasonable guess too... ... and y'know, Python 3 should be on your radar, if not necessarily what you use right now. It's better than Python 2 in every way (except for adoption, and that's changing). 3.3 in particular has a ton of really great new stuff (futures! working namespace packages! yield from!) that you'll wonder how you lived without.
- gtaylor 14y ago
  This! I'm so glad to hear this straight from one of the maintainers. Python 3.3 is the first version of Python 3 that has made me stop and say, "Wow, this really makes my life easier/better". The sooner we as an ecosystem get moving on, the better.
  - kenneth_reitz 14y ago
    It's going to get worse before it gets better. But, it'll be worth it.
- ambiate 14y ago
  Thanks, I appreciate your time.
- SiVal 14y ago
  I'm glad to hear it. Just as additional feedback: Python 2 is a "no show" in our future plans. We got over the upgrade hurdle years ago and have no intention of walking back into it. Anything stuck in Python legacy-land may as well be COBOL as far as we're concerned. We prefer Python 3 when it's available, but we use languages other than Python when there is no Python 3 solution.
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by ambiate 14y ago

gtaylor 14y ago

They've been gradually removing support for older Python 2.x with each release, so it's likely the same will happen with all of Python 2 in the coming years. But that's probably a good thing. Python needs to keep improving, and Python 3 is just flat out a better language.

mixmastamyk 14y ago
Isn't it still significantly slower? Even though it probably doesn't matter most of the time, it would helpful for all 3's items to be in the "better column."
- tshepang 14y ago
  The only significant slowness I've heard of was due to the I/O library, but it was only in 3.0, so has since been fixed. Or were you referring to something else?

jacobian 14y ago

At some point, yes, we'll drop Python 2 support. When really depends on how rapidly we see adoption (from users and re-distributors of Django) and how heavy the dual-version support burden turns out to be. My guess is what we're looking at a longer support window than the 2-3 years you posit, but that's really just a half-assed guess. Anything between "next year" and "never" would be a reasonable guess too... ... and y'know, Python 3 should be on your radar, if not necessarily what you use right now. It's better than Python 2 in every way (except for adoption, and that's changing). 3.3 in particular has a ton of really great new stuff (futures! working namespace packages! yield from!) that you'll wonder how you lived without.

gtaylor 14y ago
This! I'm so glad to hear this straight from one of the maintainers. Python 3.3 is the first version of Python 3 that has made me stop and say, "Wow, this really makes my life easier/better". The sooner we as an ecosystem get moving on, the better.
- kenneth_reitz 14y ago
  It's going to get worse before it gets better. But, it'll be worth it.
ambiate 14y ago
Thanks, I appreciate your time.
SiVal 14y ago
I'm glad to hear it. Just as additional feedback: Python 2 is a "no show" in our future plans. We got over the upgrade hurdle years ago and have no intention of walking back into it. Anything stuck in Python legacy-land may as well be COBOL as far as we're concerned. We prefer Python 3 when it's available, but we use languages other than Python when there is no Python 3 solution.

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