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you've perhaps heard that two wrongs don't make a right? pg started this site, and he has inculcated it with his values. imagine pg writing an essay about the

you've perhaps heard that two wrongs don't make a right? pg started this site, and he has inculcated it with his values. imagine pg writing an essay about the pirate bay. do you suppose he would call them "idiots?" like it or not, the culture around these parts tends towards respect. you violate local customs at your own peril.

ErrantX 18y ago
I dont buy that. It is expressing an opinion. I do respect the excellent way they are using the media and the internet to show off their cause. I dont respect what they do. I disagree calling them idiots is disrespectful: because, well, they are.... (in my opinion):) There is a huge difference between respect and dislike. Perhaps I should be clear and say they act like idiots. Then its an opinion... I would edit the original but I cant any more.. oh well. Slowly losing a lot of respect for some of the posters here... :(
- mixmax 18y ago
  Idiot is a pretty strong word, and using it requires some arguments and substance besides "in my opinion they are idiots". Intelligent discourse is based on good arguments and respect for the other party.
  - ErrantX 18y ago
    I wish I had never used the word: I really dont see it as particularly strong... perhaps it is cultural differences getting in the way. But a single word is getting in the way of a good debate elsewhere in the thread - which is a bit sad. (for the record I think I did back up my statement: they are idiots because they are helping and encouraging people the steal with no thought as to the consequences and believe they are above the law to the point of being. And, importantly, refuse to be reasoned with - and yes I have tried.) I agree with the good arguments - but respect should not be automatic. I would look for it to be earned in an argument (probably I did not do much to earn any yesterday). My other point, of course, is that TPB (at whom my remark was directed) are not here and so are not one of the debating parties... :) EDIT: I am not particularly worried by the downmods. People can express their opinions. However downmodding based on wording feels a bit short sighted... downmodding based on percieved bias (which a friend of mine pointed out) I would agree with (because it did introduce a bias.. which was a mistake). (Also it's a bit sad to see this bumped up to the first page... this surely is stuff for the "back room")

ErrantX 18y ago

I dont buy that. It is expressing an opinion. I do respect the excellent way they are using the media and the internet to show off their cause. I dont respect what they do. I disagree calling them idiots is disrespectful: because, well, they are.... (in my opinion):) There is a huge difference between respect and dislike. Perhaps I should be clear and say they act like idiots. Then its an opinion... I would edit the original but I cant any more.. oh well. Slowly losing a lot of respect for some of the posters here... :(

mixmax 18y ago
Idiot is a pretty strong word, and using it requires some arguments and substance besides "in my opinion they are idiots". Intelligent discourse is based on good arguments and respect for the other party.
- ErrantX 18y ago
  I wish I had never used the word: I really dont see it as particularly strong... perhaps it is cultural differences getting in the way. But a single word is getting in the way of a good debate elsewhere in the thread - which is a bit sad. (for the record I think I did back up my statement: they are idiots because they are helping and encouraging people the steal with no thought as to the consequences and believe they are above the law to the point of being. And, importantly, refuse to be reasoned with - and yes I have tried.) I agree with the good arguments - but respect should not be automatic. I would look for it to be earned in an argument (probably I did not do much to earn any yesterday). My other point, of course, is that TPB (at whom my remark was directed) are not here and so are not one of the debating parties... :) EDIT: I am not particularly worried by the downmods. People can express their opinions. However downmodding based on wording feels a bit short sighted... downmodding based on percieved bias (which a friend of mine pointed out) I would agree with (because it did introduce a bias.. which was a mistake). (Also it's a bit sad to see this bumped up to the first page... this surely is stuff for the "back room")