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That you would speak of doing dangerous stuff with tools and a lack of healthcare and follow that with a mention of the Chinese factory... I find ironic. Furth

by rndmize 14y ago

That you would speak of doing dangerous stuff with tools and a lack of healthcare and follow that with a mention of the Chinese factory... I find ironic. Further, while infant mortality was a problem (and has continued to be up until the last hundred years), you would probably not die by your thirties (life expectancy calculations are throw off precisely by infant mortality rates - the life expectancy for a person in almost any society goes up to at least 50 if you discount deaths of those under a year of age or so.) Is there something wrong with hunting, or difficult about it? I'm fairly sure we were good enough to wipe out a few species before the rise of agriculture. As for "dangerous stuff with precarious tools"... by all means, enlighten me. I'm having a hard time thinking of anything more dangerous than a sharp edge in any non-technologically advanced society. The number of dangers we have today from our tools (heard about a car crash on the radio recently?) and the lethality of them (how many people die from gun accidents? from mixing bleach and ammonia? electrocution? power tools? industrial machinery?) Do I even need to cover healthcare? Or how the vast majority of the world doesn't have it? Or how the majority of medications we develop don't demonstrate a greater effect than a placebo?

raverbashing 14y ago
You are really comparing apples with oranges. Here's something you should do: go visit a farm. " Or how the vast majority of the world doesn't have it? " You are very removed from reality. The majority of people, even in very poor countries have access to aspirin, antibiotics. As tragic and cruel and "modern", kids that lost limbs to landmines are, they would have died without 20th century medical care, and they are alive today.
- rndmize 14y ago
  Aspirin has been known since antiquity. Health care generally refers to reasonably complete care with practicing physicians, not a few varieties of antibiotics and painkillers. I don't see your point about visiting a farm, or your point about landmines; there's no lack of people around the world that die from things as simple as lack of drinking water and malnutrition, which I would consider the absolute minimum any kind of health care could provide.
intended 14y ago
Nature HATES you. It is beautiful, magnificent and utterly capricious - inured to cries of mercy, fairness or justice. If you have ever been camping or in a forest or walked through shrubland this fact will be made abundantly clear to you. Immobile things like plants have edged leaves, burrs and seeds to sink deep into furs, thorns to prevent casual damage, let alone poisons and allergens. Forget mention of the thousands of insects and their colonies. The environment is inimical to today's civilized primates we call man. Hunting IS difficult, as is building tools without things like muscle force multipliers. Sharp edges? Want to beat stones together to get edges? Or do you want to move up to the Iron age? Now you have the option of living long enough to die of dysentery. What you further ignore is that even accrued tribal knowledge is slowly lost if populations don't achieve a certain concentration. Imagine rediscovering the "art" of smithing, only to lose it by the third generation. Whats dangerous in that society isn't the sharp edges, its the lack of anything else. Sick? Can't hunt? Good luck. Artery sliced open? Sepsis? Need antibiotics? Lets hope the witch doctor has good juju.

by rndmize 14y ago

raverbashing 14y ago

You are really comparing apples with oranges. Here's something you should do: go visit a farm. " Or how the vast majority of the world doesn't have it? " You are very removed from reality. The majority of people, even in very poor countries have access to aspirin, antibiotics. As tragic and cruel and "modern", kids that lost limbs to landmines are, they would have died without 20th century medical care, and they are alive today.

rndmize 14y ago
Aspirin has been known since antiquity. Health care generally refers to reasonably complete care with practicing physicians, not a few varieties of antibiotics and painkillers. I don't see your point about visiting a farm, or your point about landmines; there's no lack of people around the world that die from things as simple as lack of drinking water and malnutrition, which I would consider the absolute minimum any kind of health care could provide.

intended 14y ago

Nature HATES you. It is beautiful, magnificent and utterly capricious - inured to cries of mercy, fairness or justice. If you have ever been camping or in a forest or walked through shrubland this fact will be made abundantly clear to you. Immobile things like plants have edged leaves, burrs and seeds to sink deep into furs, thorns to prevent casual damage, let alone poisons and allergens. Forget mention of the thousands of insects and their colonies. The environment is inimical to today's civilized primates we call man. Hunting IS difficult, as is building tools without things like muscle force multipliers. Sharp edges? Want to beat stones together to get edges? Or do you want to move up to the Iron age? Now you have the option of living long enough to die of dysentery. What you further ignore is that even accrued tribal knowledge is slowly lost if populations don't achieve a certain concentration. Imagine rediscovering the "art" of smithing, only to lose it by the third generation. Whats dangerous in that society isn't the sharp edges, its the lack of anything else. Sick? Can't hunt? Good luck. Artery sliced open? Sepsis? Need antibiotics? Lets hope the witch doctor has good juju.