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What?

by jiggy2011 14y ago

What?

polshaw 14y ago
He's saying ubuntu should quit waiting for a manufacturer to knock their door down, and allow developers /end users to put this on their own device. As someone waiting for ubuntu4android since 'forever', i agree. E: Mark S suggests that ROMs would be available for existing devices and not just through OEMs on the interview w/ engadget-- but isn't 100% explicit, and mentioned nothing about when to expect any builds.
- BrianEatWorld 14y ago
  I agree. I've been all over Firefox OS, even though I can't get a legit device for another few months. The lack of an ability for me to test drive this now is kind of an announcement killer.
  - josteink 14y ago
    Seconding this. I'm very much for what Mozilla is trying to do with Firefox OS. I want to give it a spin. Heck, maybe even contribute. It's, after all, for a very good cause. But the fact that my Galaxy nexus is a "tier 3" phone which has no guarantees of even working, and that the "tier 1" phones are phones you cannot buy, my ability and willingness to wipe my working OS from my phone (which I need) for something unproven is very close to zero. Had they provided some good and working images for phones available today, chances that they would get more attention and recognition would be much, much higher. Not providing that has (IMO) been a mistake which has cost them, both publicity and potential contributors. And now Ubuntu seems to be making the same mistake for their phone-OS. It's a strategic mistake and it will cost them the chance to impact the market.
drcube 14y ago
"...there are no immediate plans for actual Ubuntu phones, and no carriers have been signed up yet ... although we're told that the OS will run on any new phone built for Android, should the manufacturer see merit in installing Ubuntu instead." from here: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/ http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/ Looks like they updated the text, but still. The manufacturer doesn't install things on my phone, I do. Looks like they also mention a Nexus build in the coming weeks. When that happens I'll consider my challenge met. I'm just hoping something actually comes of this, unlike Ubuntu for Android which went nowhere. I'm also extremely annoyed by mentions of manufacturers here. I don't need Dell's blessing to install Ubuntu on my laptop, and I don't need HTC's blessing to install an alternate OS on my phone. So give me the software, already.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  If you have a locked bootloader sometimes you do , or at least a way to work around it. I don't get the "put up or shut up" part.
  - drcube 14y ago
    >f you have a locked bootloader sometimes you do , or at least a way to work around it. You still don't need their blessing, you just need to unlock it. It's your phone, not theirs. Period. >I don't get the "put up or shut up" part. It means I can go to their website, click "Get Ubuntu", and download it for my phone. Until it shows up here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download http://www.ubuntu.com/download It's vaporware.
    - jiggy2011 14y ago
      That's assuming you have a method to unlock it, you can't always necessarily count on that. I can kind of understand why they don't want to release it until there is a reference implementation and the software is somewhere near done. They don't want to suffer the same problem they have done on the desktop where there are a load of device out there which are "kind of" supported and they get a bad rep because somebodies sound , wireless or whatever doesn't quite work as they expect and they have to field a load of support requests and people proclaiming that their OS is "too hard" or whatever.
      - erikpukinskis 14y ago
        > That's assuming you have a method to unlock it, you can't always necessarily count on that. For a long time, we couldn't count on video cards or sound cards being compatible with Linux either. The Linux community just shared information about which computers were most compatible, with the most open hardware, and we bought those devices. The same thing could happen with phones. Even without being installable on EVERY device, surely some of the manufacturers will stick to fairly standard hardware and the Ubuntu community will see to it that the drivers and unlocking tools are there. Not everyone will be able to get Ubuntu on their phone, but the community can still thrive.

What?

He's saying ubuntu should quit waiting for a manufacturer to knock their door down, and allow developers /end users to put this on their own device. As someone waiting for ubuntu4android since 'forever', i agree. E: Mark S suggests that ROMs would be available for existing devices and not just through OEMs on the interview w/ engadget-- but isn't 100% explicit, and mentioned nothing about when to expect any builds.

BrianEatWorld 14y ago
I agree. I've been all over Firefox OS, even though I can't get a legit device for another few months. The lack of an ability for me to test drive this now is kind of an announcement killer.
- josteink 14y ago
  Seconding this. I'm very much for what Mozilla is trying to do with Firefox OS. I want to give it a spin. Heck, maybe even contribute. It's, after all, for a very good cause. But the fact that my Galaxy nexus is a "tier 3" phone which has no guarantees of even working, and that the "tier 1" phones are phones you cannot buy, my ability and willingness to wipe my working OS from my phone (which I need) for something unproven is very close to zero. Had they provided some good and working images for phones available today, chances that they would get more attention and recognition would be much, much higher. Not providing that has (IMO) been a mistake which has cost them, both publicity and potential contributors. And now Ubuntu seems to be making the same mistake for their phone-OS. It's a strategic mistake and it will cost them the chance to impact the market.

drcube 14y ago

"...there are no immediate plans for actual Ubuntu phones, and no carriers have been signed up yet ... although we're told that the OS will run on any new phone built for Android, should the manufacturer see merit in installing Ubuntu instead." from here: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/ http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/02/ubuntu-for-smartphones/ Looks like they updated the text, but still. The manufacturer doesn't install things on my phone, I do. Looks like they also mention a Nexus build in the coming weeks. When that happens I'll consider my challenge met. I'm just hoping something actually comes of this, unlike Ubuntu for Android which went nowhere. I'm also extremely annoyed by mentions of manufacturers here. I don't need Dell's blessing to install Ubuntu on my laptop, and I don't need HTC's blessing to install an alternate OS on my phone. So give me the software, already.

jiggy2011 14y ago
If you have a locked bootloader sometimes you do , or at least a way to work around it. I don't get the "put up or shut up" part.
- drcube 14y ago
  >f you have a locked bootloader sometimes you do , or at least a way to work around it. You still don't need their blessing, you just need to unlock it. It's your phone, not theirs. Period. >I don't get the "put up or shut up" part. It means I can go to their website, click "Get Ubuntu", and download it for my phone. Until it shows up here: http://www.ubuntu.com/download http://www.ubuntu.com/download It's vaporware.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    That's assuming you have a method to unlock it, you can't always necessarily count on that. I can kind of understand why they don't want to release it until there is a reference implementation and the software is somewhere near done. They don't want to suffer the same problem they have done on the desktop where there are a load of device out there which are "kind of" supported and they get a bad rep because somebodies sound , wireless or whatever doesn't quite work as they expect and they have to field a load of support requests and people proclaiming that their OS is "too hard" or whatever.
    - erikpukinskis 14y ago
      > That's assuming you have a method to unlock it, you can't always necessarily count on that. For a long time, we couldn't count on video cards or sound cards being compatible with Linux either. The Linux community just shared information about which computers were most compatible, with the most open hardware, and we bought those devices. The same thing could happen with phones. Even without being installable on EVERY device, surely some of the manufacturers will stick to fairly standard hardware and the Ubuntu community will see to it that the drivers and unlocking tools are there. Not everyone will be able to get Ubuntu on their phone, but the community can still thrive.