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The FAA is being ridiculous about this. However...there's literally nothing I find more aggravating than flying - because of other passengers. Every flight, th

by jkat 14y ago

The FAA is being ridiculous about this. However...there's literally nothing I find more aggravating than flying - because of other passengers. Every flight, there's always a handful of people who refuse to follow the simple rules. Their carry-on is too big. They switch seats or use the lavatories when they are supposed to be seated and buckled-in. They don't re-adjust their seats when landing. They grab their carry-on while the plane is taxiing. I always feel horrible for the flight attendants. It feels like they are running a day care. Why are people like that? Are they stupid and don't understand the rules? Or do they think the rules don't apply to them?

yareally 14y ago
Modus operandi for many people is to get away with whatever you can until you're told otherwise (or caught). Just most do this with petty things versus breaking major laws.
swombat 14y ago
> Why are people like that? Are they stupid and don't understand the rules? Or do they think the rules don't apply to them? Speaking for myself, I have no respect for authority that does not stem from experience, knowledge, wisdom, etc. Air hosts/hostesses have none of those attributes - they are merely parrotting rules handed down to them, without putting any thought into them. A case in point is the electronic devices rule - clearly nonsensical and stupid. I take it as a good sample of the sense in the other rules being imposed, and therefore revert to my default mode of operation, that applies in most circumstances, unless overridden by someone who appears to deserve to have the power to tell me what to do. In other words, I do what I think is sensible, reasonable. Therefore, yes, I do check my emails before the plane has finished moving and even (gosh!) before the passport gates. I do grab my bag at the first opportunity (though it's usually pointless to do so before the plane has stopped moving - but then it's reason that's stopping me, not rules). I do fit as much as I can get away with into my bag (which generally weighs more than 5kg - but is usually compact and easy to stow because I value those attributes). In other words, I act like the free, responsible human being that I am, and no, I don't care one whit for "the rules" except where I have analysed them and deemed them sensible myself. Here's some good news for you: "the rules" don't apply to you either - not unless you want them to.
- jkat 14y ago
  I don't disagree with your premise in general....but...The silliness of one rule doesn't, in my mind, invalidate all the other ones. I mean, couldn't you reverse your logic? Find a rule that makes sense (say, no smoking on the plane) and thus summarize that all rules make sense? I keep thinking to myself that flying is a privilege, not a right. But that's probably more a reflection of my own authoritarian views than anything else. Cheers.
  - swombat 14y ago
    You're absolutely right, and I didn't say they were all invalidated. All that the silliness of one rule means is that we have to make our own minds up as to which rules are sensible and which are silly. Which was basically my point.
- gnaritas 14y ago
  So you're a self centered inconsiderate jerk and you're proud of it, how typical. The rules do apply to you, I suggest you figure that out before someone decides to teach you the hard way that everyone else doesn't appreciate you ignoring the rules.
  - swombat 14y ago
    Jump to conclusions much? Got some passive aggressive issues perhaps? No one has ever had anything to complain about with respect to my behaviour on planes - not even flight attendants.
    - DanBC 14y ago
      > Jump to conclusions much? When many people make the same assumption you might want to consider whether there's a problem with your post. Your first post makes you sound like a jerk. Such a jerk that people have down voted you for it; called it disappointing; and called you a jerk.
      - 14y ago
ninguem2 14y ago
I agree with the rest, but the lavatory sometimes can't be helped. I've been there.
GotAnyMegadeth 14y ago
Pilots should do a barrel roll every now and then to catch seat-belt-sign-ignorers out.
- epochwolf 14y ago
  Most large planes aren't designed to do aerobatic maneuvers. Doing a barrel roll could rip off pieces from the control surfaces, cause an engine to separate, or tear off an entire wing. That's assuming the flight control software will let you try that in the first place.
  - pedrocr 14y ago
    Barrel rolls are low G maneuvers so properly executed they shouldn't cause any of those things. My memory had the barrel roll as a 1G maneuver but wikipedia tells me it gets up to 2-3g (probably to enter/exit the maneuver). Were you thinking of an aileron roll? I mean, if a 707 could do it safely in 1955[1] modern airliners should do just fine. (not that I support routine barrel rolls on airliners...) [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk
    - epochwolf 14y ago
      You're right, I was thinking of an aileron roll. A barrel roll is definitely doable.
minimax 14y ago
Getting out of your seat on a taxiway is a bad idea. Planes do occasionally bump into one another. How'd you like to be standing up looking for your carry-on inside this CRJ when this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCWSm1f9qk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCWSm1f9qk
zobzu 14y ago
Yeah it pisses me off when people don't follow those rules. None of the rule is even remotely annoying, but when not followed, annoys everybody else. Besides, most of those are actually useful. When you take the plane enough times, there's always one that will shake very heavily without warning due to unexpected turbulences that the stabilization software couldn't counter and pilots didn't foresee. Heck during those, all the stuff flies around and if you're walking around (or even sitted without seat bealt) you wont only hurt yourself but others as well.
cglace 14y ago
"I always feel horrible for the flight attendants. It feels like they are running a day care. Why are people like that? Are they stupid and don't understand the rules? Or do they think the rules don't apply to them?" My wife is a flight attendant and she defenately feels like she is running a day care. She says it has gotten progressively worse each year. It does seem to be regional though. She has some flights where the people are always nice and some(Pittsburg) where the people are always rude.

by jkat 14y ago

yareally 14y ago

Modus operandi for many people is to get away with whatever you can until you're told otherwise (or caught). Just most do this with petty things versus breaking major laws.

swombat 14y ago

> Why are people like that? Are they stupid and don't understand the rules? Or do they think the rules don't apply to them? Speaking for myself, I have no respect for authority that does not stem from experience, knowledge, wisdom, etc. Air hosts/hostesses have none of those attributes - they are merely parrotting rules handed down to them, without putting any thought into them. A case in point is the electronic devices rule - clearly nonsensical and stupid. I take it as a good sample of the sense in the other rules being imposed, and therefore revert to my default mode of operation, that applies in most circumstances, unless overridden by someone who appears to deserve to have the power to tell me what to do. In other words, I do what I think is sensible, reasonable. Therefore, yes, I do check my emails before the plane has finished moving and even (gosh!) before the passport gates. I do grab my bag at the first opportunity (though it's usually pointless to do so before the plane has stopped moving - but then it's reason that's stopping me, not rules). I do fit as much as I can get away with into my bag (which generally weighs more than 5kg - but is usually compact and easy to stow because I value those attributes). In other words, I act like the free, responsible human being that I am, and no, I don't care one whit for "the rules" except where I have analysed them and deemed them sensible myself. Here's some good news for you: "the rules" don't apply to you either - not unless you want them to.

jkat 14y ago
I don't disagree with your premise in general....but...The silliness of one rule doesn't, in my mind, invalidate all the other ones. I mean, couldn't you reverse your logic? Find a rule that makes sense (say, no smoking on the plane) and thus summarize that all rules make sense? I keep thinking to myself that flying is a privilege, not a right. But that's probably more a reflection of my own authoritarian views than anything else. Cheers.
- swombat 14y ago
  You're absolutely right, and I didn't say they were all invalidated. All that the silliness of one rule means is that we have to make our own minds up as to which rules are sensible and which are silly. Which was basically my point.
gnaritas 14y ago
So you're a self centered inconsiderate jerk and you're proud of it, how typical. The rules do apply to you, I suggest you figure that out before someone decides to teach you the hard way that everyone else doesn't appreciate you ignoring the rules.
- swombat 14y ago
  Jump to conclusions much? Got some passive aggressive issues perhaps? No one has ever had anything to complain about with respect to my behaviour on planes - not even flight attendants.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    > Jump to conclusions much? When many people make the same assumption you might want to consider whether there's a problem with your post. Your first post makes you sound like a jerk. Such a jerk that people have down voted you for it; called it disappointing; and called you a jerk.
    - 14y ago

ninguem2 14y ago

I agree with the rest, but the lavatory sometimes can't be helped. I've been there.

GotAnyMegadeth 14y ago

Pilots should do a barrel roll every now and then to catch seat-belt-sign-ignorers out.

epochwolf 14y ago
Most large planes aren't designed to do aerobatic maneuvers. Doing a barrel roll could rip off pieces from the control surfaces, cause an engine to separate, or tear off an entire wing. That's assuming the flight control software will let you try that in the first place.
- pedrocr 14y ago
  Barrel rolls are low G maneuvers so properly executed they shouldn't cause any of those things. My memory had the barrel roll as a 1G maneuver but wikipedia tells me it gets up to 2-3g (probably to enter/exit the maneuver). Were you thinking of an aileron roll? I mean, if a 707 could do it safely in 1955[1] modern airliners should do just fine. (not that I support routine barrel rolls on airliners...) [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaA7kPfC5Hk
  - epochwolf 14y ago
    You're right, I was thinking of an aileron roll. A barrel roll is definitely doable.

minimax 14y ago

Getting out of your seat on a taxiway is a bad idea. Planes do occasionally bump into one another. How'd you like to be standing up looking for your carry-on inside this CRJ when this happens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCWSm1f9qk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCWSm1f9qk

zobzu 14y ago

Yeah it pisses me off when people don't follow those rules. None of the rule is even remotely annoying, but when not followed, annoys everybody else. Besides, most of those are actually useful. When you take the plane enough times, there's always one that will shake very heavily without warning due to unexpected turbulences that the stabilization software couldn't counter and pilots didn't foresee. Heck during those, all the stuff flies around and if you're walking around (or even sitted without seat bealt) you wont only hurt yourself but others as well.

cglace 14y ago

"I always feel horrible for the flight attendants. It feels like they are running a day care. Why are people like that? Are they stupid and don't understand the rules? Or do they think the rules don't apply to them?" My wife is a flight attendant and she defenately feels like she is running a day care. She says it has gotten progressively worse each year. It does seem to be regional though. She has some flights where the people are always nice and some(Pittsburg) where the people are always rude.