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This is why I generally dislike salespeople, marketers, and lawyers (especially divorce lawyers). If anyone in a deal is walking away happy it means some other

This is why I generally dislike salespeople, marketers, and lawyers (especially divorce lawyers). If anyone in a deal is walking away happy it means some other party is suffering whether they know it or not. Any equitable deal is one in which every party is just a little bit unhappy and accepts it for the greater good. What the aforementioned practitioners do is to convince someone that they are happy and the further they can push them away from reality the more advantage they take. Usually if not always a false scarcity of information is employed. Tim Ferriss is the worst kind of con artist in the regard.

sliverstorm 14y ago
Any equitable deal is one in which every party is just a little bit unhappy Then I don't want to live in an equitable world. Sounds like an equitable world means everyone is always just a little bit unhappy.
- ben0x539 14y ago
  Only if they make deals all the time!
- shawn-butler 14y ago
  Which is counterbalanced by the happiness found in collaborative aims achieved by negotiated, equitable unhappiness. Kind of the definition of work I suppose. Everyone wants to be happy; the extent to which we do so at the expense of others is pretty staggering in recent history.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    Oh yes, because before modern days we were so much more empathetic and loving of our fellow man. Fiefdoms are an excellent example of this...
randallsquared 14y ago
If anyone in a deal is walking away happy it means some other party is suffering whether they know it or not. Ideally (and typically, else markets wouldn't work!) both parties walk away happy. Who's suffering when both sides feel as though they've gotten a good bargain?
Mvandenbergh 14y ago
>Tim Ferriss is the worst kind of con artist in the regard. Well, maybe I'm old-fashioned but I'm pretty sure the "the worst kind of con artist" cons people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and gives them nothing. Even if you posit that the content of his books have zero use value (I'm not sure I agree, but I don't really care to argue either way so let's just assume this is the case) and that they also have zero entertainment value (I disagree, but taste may vary) then the worst he's done is... taken your 20 bucks or whatever and sold you a disappointing book in return.

sliverstorm 14y ago

Any equitable deal is one in which every party is just a little bit unhappy Then I don't want to live in an equitable world. Sounds like an equitable world means everyone is always just a little bit unhappy.

ben0x539 14y ago
Only if they make deals all the time!
shawn-butler 14y ago
Which is counterbalanced by the happiness found in collaborative aims achieved by negotiated, equitable unhappiness. Kind of the definition of work I suppose. Everyone wants to be happy; the extent to which we do so at the expense of others is pretty staggering in recent history.
- sliverstorm 14y ago
  Oh yes, because before modern days we were so much more empathetic and loving of our fellow man. Fiefdoms are an excellent example of this...

randallsquared 14y ago

If anyone in a deal is walking away happy it means some other party is suffering whether they know it or not. Ideally (and typically, else markets wouldn't work!) both parties walk away happy. Who's suffering when both sides feel as though they've gotten a good bargain?

Mvandenbergh 14y ago

>Tim Ferriss is the worst kind of con artist in the regard. Well, maybe I'm old-fashioned but I'm pretty sure the "the worst kind of con artist" cons people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and gives them nothing. Even if you posit that the content of his books have zero use value (I'm not sure I agree, but I don't really care to argue either way so let's just assume this is the case) and that they also have zero entertainment value (I disagree, but taste may vary) then the worst he's done is... taken your 20 bucks or whatever and sold you a disappointing book in return.