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I think he missed the point about FaceTime. Not /that/ many 10th graders have iPhones. 110.00 a month is too much, so the push the limits of their iPods. We do

by biturd 14y ago

I think he missed the point about FaceTime. Not /that/ many 10th graders have iPhones. 110.00 a month is too much, so the push the limits of their iPods. We don't need a new app so kids can do video chat, there's Skype and others for that. They like the ease if use. The problem is to tack in another data plan restriction removal to open FaceTime with AT&T and possibly others is the barrier. I have a 4gs and can't use FaceTime over the cellular network without paying AT&T more money or losing my unlimited plan. So I don't use it. All this comes down to the same conclusion the author had. There's a huge market in the term category. They have deep pockets by proxy of their patents. But parents won't drop that much more for FaceTime. Want to tap that market AT&T, Verizon, etc? Allows FaceTime on your network. And Apple, open iMessage and FaceTime so that it can be coded on Sndroid and everything else. Apple gets brand recognition ala "FireWire" and we get a service we want that there no reason to pay more for. 29.00 a month for unlimited texts. Insane. 90% of my friends have iPhones. But messages from my bank, pharmacy,etc go through a non iMessage service. Apple needs to open up the protocol and allow an API gateway so regular SMS messages can get through. Then we can all dump the unlimited text plans or the 30 cents ala carte text plans.

greenyoda 14y ago
"Apple needs to open up the protocol and allow an API gateway so regular SMS messages can get through." Apple creating an API wouldn't accomplish much, since Apple still wouldn't have access to the SMS message streams. The mobile carriers would have to route SMS traffic to Apple's gateway, and they're not likely to agree to that, since SMS is a huge cash cow for them. One possibility would be to cut SMS out entirely, by convincing the senders of these messages (banks, etc.) to connect directly to Apple's API instead of sending SMS. But the problem is that Apple's service is proprietary, and all the people on Android phones will be on competing services with different APIs. So banks would have to figure out how to talk to all these different APIs. This isn't a compelling issue for banks to be spending their efforts on, since any customer who wants to receive their banking alerts without using SMS already can: these alerts are also available via e-mail, which is an open, universal and standardized protocol. An alternate approach would be for Apple to create an e-mail to iMessage gateway that would give each user a dedicated e-mail address that would forward to their iMessage stream (similar to the many e-mail to SMS gateways that currently exist). Users could then subscribe that e-mail address to their banking alerts. Another advantage of avoiding SMS entirely is that it's an unreliable protocol, in which 1-5% of messages are lost[1]. So if your alert is actually important, you may not want to entrust it to SMS in the first place. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS#Unreliability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS#Unreliability
- SoftwareMaven 14y ago
  Sure, Apple couldn't grab the SMS streams, but the banks, pharmacies, etc, could offer an iMessage option to use in the place of SMS.
philwelch 14y ago
The carriers have pretty much gotten around that by pulling the ol' switcheroo. Instead of unlimited data and limited calls and SMS, now you get unlimited calls and SMS and limited data.
msisk6 14y ago
I don't know where in the world you are, but at my daughter's high school nearly everyone has an iPhone. Theft is rampant, too -- my daughter's iPhone (one of my hand-me-downs) even got jacked once and she's very careful. And this is not some high-end private school -- it's a Texas public school with low- to middle-class kids. My daughter tells me the trends in this blog post are right on, except the driving force for SnapChat seems to be porn.
- yozmsn 14y ago
  Yeah, I think the reason that OP's sister's use of SnapChat is different is the Hipster thing, using it for porn is too mainstream.... They're probably back to sending it through texts...
blantonl 14y ago
You don't need an iPhone to use Facetime. I have a 6 and 8 yr old and both received iPad minis for Christmas and they have already FaceTimed with their friends and cousins via their new devices. And we are now spending a lot of time educating our children how to properly utilize technology to communicate with their friends. That includes a number of very firm rules and regulations.
- bobds 14y ago
  Care to share some of those rules?
- da02 14y ago
  Do the rules/regs end up being fodder for creativity on how to break said rules/regs? I would imagine that is one of the problems with having smart and clever kids.
  - blantonl 14y ago
    Not if you are an active and involved parent.
- yozmsn 14y ago
  Who gives a six year old a $200+ device? and How many other six year olds also have some apple product? I truly feel old... in my day you were lucky to get a gameboy color - and even that was only in 5th grade
ruswick 14y ago
In some places- for instance, my school- iOS penetration is probably above 60%. Mind you, this is a school district populated by quite a few low-income families. In more affluent areas, it's north of 90%.

by biturd 14y ago

greenyoda 14y ago

"Apple needs to open up the protocol and allow an API gateway so regular SMS messages can get through." Apple creating an API wouldn't accomplish much, since Apple still wouldn't have access to the SMS message streams. The mobile carriers would have to route SMS traffic to Apple's gateway, and they're not likely to agree to that, since SMS is a huge cash cow for them. One possibility would be to cut SMS out entirely, by convincing the senders of these messages (banks, etc.) to connect directly to Apple's API instead of sending SMS. But the problem is that Apple's service is proprietary, and all the people on Android phones will be on competing services with different APIs. So banks would have to figure out how to talk to all these different APIs. This isn't a compelling issue for banks to be spending their efforts on, since any customer who wants to receive their banking alerts without using SMS already can: these alerts are also available via e-mail, which is an open, universal and standardized protocol. An alternate approach would be for Apple to create an e-mail to iMessage gateway that would give each user a dedicated e-mail address that would forward to their iMessage stream (similar to the many e-mail to SMS gateways that currently exist). Users could then subscribe that e-mail address to their banking alerts. Another advantage of avoiding SMS entirely is that it's an unreliable protocol, in which 1-5% of messages are lost[1]. So if your alert is actually important, you may not want to entrust it to SMS in the first place. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS#Unreliability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS#Unreliability

SoftwareMaven 14y ago
Sure, Apple couldn't grab the SMS streams, but the banks, pharmacies, etc, could offer an iMessage option to use in the place of SMS.

philwelch 14y ago

The carriers have pretty much gotten around that by pulling the ol' switcheroo. Instead of unlimited data and limited calls and SMS, now you get unlimited calls and SMS and limited data.

msisk6 14y ago

I don't know where in the world you are, but at my daughter's high school nearly everyone has an iPhone. Theft is rampant, too -- my daughter's iPhone (one of my hand-me-downs) even got jacked once and she's very careful. And this is not some high-end private school -- it's a Texas public school with low- to middle-class kids. My daughter tells me the trends in this blog post are right on, except the driving force for SnapChat seems to be porn.

yozmsn 14y ago
Yeah, I think the reason that OP's sister's use of SnapChat is different is the Hipster thing, using it for porn is too mainstream.... They're probably back to sending it through texts...

blantonl 14y ago

You don't need an iPhone to use Facetime. I have a 6 and 8 yr old and both received iPad minis for Christmas and they have already FaceTimed with their friends and cousins via their new devices. And we are now spending a lot of time educating our children how to properly utilize technology to communicate with their friends. That includes a number of very firm rules and regulations.

bobds 14y ago
Care to share some of those rules?
da02 14y ago
Do the rules/regs end up being fodder for creativity on how to break said rules/regs? I would imagine that is one of the problems with having smart and clever kids.
- blantonl 14y ago
  Not if you are an active and involved parent.
yozmsn 14y ago
Who gives a six year old a $200+ device? and How many other six year olds also have some apple product? I truly feel old... in my day you were lucky to get a gameboy color - and even that was only in 5th grade

ruswick 14y ago

In some places- for instance, my school- iOS penetration is probably above 60%. Mind you, this is a school district populated by quite a few low-income families. In more affluent areas, it's north of 90%.