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Enlighten me then, when was golden age of human history then in your opinion? I have a problem with you new age romantics, bitching about issues of current civ

Enlighten me then, when was golden age of human history then in your opinion? I have a problem with you new age romantics, bitching about issues of current civilization without providing alternatives or even realizing what "reversing" current state of affairs would really mean.

pretoriusB 14y ago
>Enlighten me then, when was golden age of human history then in your opinion? Ever occurred to you that it might be in the future? Or that human history was perpetually in the same state of mess? Good for a few, a nightmare for others? Or that "good for humanity" and technological advancements are not necessarily the same thing, and that e.g living an agrarian life in some 18th century farm could be better for someone than living as an industrial worker in a highly modern Foxconn factory, despite increased odds of dying from a decease preventable today or having to get your water from the well? Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of my iPad. >I have a problem with you new age romantics, bitching about issues of current civilization without providing alternatives or even realizing what "reversing" current state of affairs would really mean. When there's a problem, like a cancer, you need to remove the cancer. You don't need an "alternative" to it. Also, I'm not sure how to read the part about not realising what "reversing the current state of affairs would really mean". Who said anything about "reversing"? There's a lot we can do without reversing anything. Stoping the market craze is not the same as "reversing" progress or anything. Not to mention that progress != building more advanced things cheaper.
- JanezStupar 14y ago
  I believe you don't understand that the term "Golden Age" by definition refers to the past. What you are talking about is denoted by the term "Utopia". > Or that "good for humanity" and technological advancements are not necessarily the same thing, and that e.g living an agrarian life in some 18th century farm could be better for someone than living as an industrial worker in a highly modern Foxconn factory, despite increased odds of dying from a decease preventable today or having to get your water from the well? Excuse my ad hominem, however your attitude would lead me to believe that you are at least a middle class kid with romantic perspective. What you are proposing is an actuality for a class of people who are called, gasp... Foxconn workers. There is nearly two million of them saying that you are wrong and that they prefer working for Foxconn over 18th century farm somewhere in north/central China. And as a guy who grew up on a modern farm I decided that farming is not my cup of tea (and from family heritage that 18th century farming where you would be sentenced to hard manual labor from the age of 4 even less so). Don't get me wrong, I love nature and I like that one of my hobby's is gardening. However I absolutely adore that I have a choice. > Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of my iPad. I believe you have no idea what 60's were like. And I believe that you should go and see more of the world.
- pyre 14y ago
  > Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the > '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of > my iPad. Let me guess, you're a white male?
- Klinky 14y ago
  I would be wary of romanticizing the past. The 60s were not necessarily a picnic if you were black, a woman, or a poor male.
ippisl 14y ago
Generally moving from monarchies to democracies could be considered a "golden" age of human history. Or maybe the rise of rationality and decline of religion. I don't see any recent big social change that big that happened recently, except the social impact of the web. But i'm not sure i'd considered it as a big positive social change. What would you say are the big societal changes that happened in the last decade or two ?
- JanezStupar 14y ago
  In terms of history, recently is last 200 years. True effects of todays developments shall not be seen for the foreseeable future.

pretoriusB 14y ago

>Enlighten me then, when was golden age of human history then in your opinion? Ever occurred to you that it might be in the future? Or that human history was perpetually in the same state of mess? Good for a few, a nightmare for others? Or that "good for humanity" and technological advancements are not necessarily the same thing, and that e.g living an agrarian life in some 18th century farm could be better for someone than living as an industrial worker in a highly modern Foxconn factory, despite increased odds of dying from a decease preventable today or having to get your water from the well? Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of my iPad. >I have a problem with you new age romantics, bitching about issues of current civilization without providing alternatives or even realizing what "reversing" current state of affairs would really mean. When there's a problem, like a cancer, you need to remove the cancer. You don't need an "alternative" to it. Also, I'm not sure how to read the part about not realising what "reversing the current state of affairs would really mean". Who said anything about "reversing"? There's a lot we can do without reversing anything. Stoping the market craze is not the same as "reversing" progress or anything. Not to mention that progress != building more advanced things cheaper.

JanezStupar 14y ago
I believe you don't understand that the term "Golden Age" by definition refers to the past. What you are talking about is denoted by the term "Utopia". > Or that "good for humanity" and technological advancements are not necessarily the same thing, and that e.g living an agrarian life in some 18th century farm could be better for someone than living as an industrial worker in a highly modern Foxconn factory, despite increased odds of dying from a decease preventable today or having to get your water from the well? Excuse my ad hominem, however your attitude would lead me to believe that you are at least a middle class kid with romantic perspective. What you are proposing is an actuality for a class of people who are called, gasp... Foxconn workers. There is nearly two million of them saying that you are wrong and that they prefer working for Foxconn over 18th century farm somewhere in north/central China. And as a guy who grew up on a modern farm I decided that farming is not my cup of tea (and from family heritage that 18th century farming where you would be sentenced to hard manual labor from the age of 4 even less so). Don't get me wrong, I love nature and I like that one of my hobby's is gardening. However I absolutely adore that I have a choice. > Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of my iPad. I believe you have no idea what 60's were like. And I believe that you should go and see more of the world.
pyre 14y ago
> Damn, I'd take living in the sixties to living in the > '00s any day of the week, despite having to let go of > my iPad. Let me guess, you're a white male?
Klinky 14y ago
I would be wary of romanticizing the past. The 60s were not necessarily a picnic if you were black, a woman, or a poor male.

ippisl 14y ago

Generally moving from monarchies to democracies could be considered a "golden" age of human history. Or maybe the rise of rationality and decline of religion. I don't see any recent big social change that big that happened recently, except the social impact of the web. But i'm not sure i'd considered it as a big positive social change. What would you say are the big societal changes that happened in the last decade or two ?

JanezStupar 14y ago
In terms of history, recently is last 200 years. True effects of todays developments shall not be seen for the foreseeable future.