3 ms·

>That's just one way sexism rears its ugly head at times in my experience Sorry but what in your story shows that it's sexism? It could easily have happened to

>That's just one way sexism rears its ugly head at times in my experience Sorry but what in your story shows that it's sexism? It could easily have happened to a guy or been done by a lady security expert and is more a symptom of a superiority complex.

acgourley 14y ago
Yeah, as stated that doesn't sound sexist at all. That sounds like an exchange I've had with male colleagues from both perspectives.
rachelbythebay 14y ago
I'm mostly talking about the situation of reacting to the "wrapping" and missing the content entirely. The fact it comes from person X instead of person Y, and person X is not like person Y. When you see it enough times, you start hypothesizing about why it happens. Then you share notes with others in your situation and your hypothesis gets stronger. ... then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all.
- cooldeal 14y ago
  > The fact it comes from person X instead of person Y, and person X is not like person Y. When you see it enough times, you start hypothesizing about why it happens. Then you share notes with others in your situation and your hypothesis gets stronger. >... then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all. The problem is that without this additional context you just posted it's hard for someone to make the connection because we see all of this happen regularly around us even without the gender or a race factor thrown in.
- acgourley 14y ago
  I understand what you're saying, but you may be in the (annoying) position that to back up your argument you'll really have to enumerate all those interactions and show the pattern. Drawing one anecdote without the context is less convincing than: "trust me, I experience sexism in the workplace."
  - Maxious 14y ago
    "Unless You Can Prove Your Experience Is Widespread I Won't Believe It" http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit
    - roopeshv 14y ago
      a: "i believe in jesus, you blasphemer" b: anecdotes dont' cut it a: you are derailing the topic, here see this link
    - jerrya 14y ago
      Yeah, derailing for dummies is a guide to tactics that people on forums use to ensure no questions are asked, skeptics are silenced and shamed, reasonable questions are avoided, and the speech is carefully policed. In this case, no one is allowed to question rachel's account because the user name rachelbythebay contains a name commonly associated with being female. It's likely if the username was "robertonthebus" we would be able to question robert's assertions. But this being Hacker News, I am hopeful we can get past your attempt to speech police and get back to a constructive dialogue.
      - Chris2048 14y ago
        I'm suprised this doesn't get said more often, I've seen dfd (and gfw) linked many times, on many forums, but rarely are these sources critisised. Also, your first paragraph is ambiguous, I'm guessing it means: drd is a guide to 'derailing' tactics used on forums, that is itself used to...
        jerrya 14y ago
        Also, your first paragraph is ambiguous, I'm guessing it means: drd is a guide to 'derailing' tactics used on forums, that is itself used to... Yes, thank you.
- jerrya 14y ago
  .. then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all. Well this is part of the problem. You weren't clear. You weren't clear in a way that other people asked you politely to clear up. You turn around and accuse them of their own sexist behaviors. When I read your initial description, it sounded like dozens of incidents that I have been party to when groups create documents.

acgourley 14y ago

Yeah, as stated that doesn't sound sexist at all. That sounds like an exchange I've had with male colleagues from both perspectives.

rachelbythebay 14y ago

I'm mostly talking about the situation of reacting to the "wrapping" and missing the content entirely. The fact it comes from person X instead of person Y, and person X is not like person Y. When you see it enough times, you start hypothesizing about why it happens. Then you share notes with others in your situation and your hypothesis gets stronger. ... then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all.

cooldeal 14y ago
> The fact it comes from person X instead of person Y, and person X is not like person Y. When you see it enough times, you start hypothesizing about why it happens. Then you share notes with others in your situation and your hypothesis gets stronger. >... then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all. The problem is that without this additional context you just posted it's hard for someone to make the connection because we see all of this happen regularly around us even without the gender or a race factor thrown in.
acgourley 14y ago
I understand what you're saying, but you may be in the (annoying) position that to back up your argument you'll really have to enumerate all those interactions and show the pattern. Drawing one anecdote without the context is less convincing than: "trust me, I experience sexism in the workplace."
- Maxious 14y ago
  "Unless You Can Prove Your Experience Is Widespread I Won't Believe It" http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit http://www.derailingfordummies.com/complete.html#proveit
  - roopeshv 14y ago
    a: "i believe in jesus, you blasphemer" b: anecdotes dont' cut it a: you are derailing the topic, here see this link
  - jerrya 14y ago
    Yeah, derailing for dummies is a guide to tactics that people on forums use to ensure no questions are asked, skeptics are silenced and shamed, reasonable questions are avoided, and the speech is carefully policed. In this case, no one is allowed to question rachel's account because the user name rachelbythebay contains a name commonly associated with being female. It's likely if the username was "robertonthebus" we would be able to question robert's assertions. But this being Hacker News, I am hopeful we can get past your attempt to speech police and get back to a constructive dialogue.
    - Chris2048 14y ago
      I'm suprised this doesn't get said more often, I've seen dfd (and gfw) linked many times, on many forums, but rarely are these sources critisised. Also, your first paragraph is ambiguous, I'm guessing it means: drd is a guide to 'derailing' tactics used on forums, that is itself used to...
      - jerrya 14y ago
        Also, your first paragraph is ambiguous, I'm guessing it means: drd is a guide to 'derailing' tactics used on forums, that is itself used to... Yes, thank you.
jerrya 14y ago
.. then you post about it to HN and have a handful of comments insist that it's not happening at all. Well this is part of the problem. You weren't clear. You weren't clear in a way that other people asked you politely to clear up. You turn around and accuse them of their own sexist behaviors. When I read your initial description, it sounded like dozens of incidents that I have been party to when groups create documents.