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My god, some of you people live in the weirdest little bubble, where you have no idea what is going on in the world. > The consumer PC market has cratered sinc

My god, some of you people live in the weirdest little bubble, where you have no idea what is going on in the world. > The consumer PC market has cratered since the iPad No it hasn't. Not even close. There are a lot more PCs sold per quarter than iPads, and the rate of PC shipments is still increasing. > How many people really want a Windows machine at this point? According to every available stat, a vast majority of people choose Windows over Linux and OSX. > With Valve's aggressive move into taking PC games off of Windows altogether Valve's biggest market by far is PC, and will remain so for the immediate future. They have no intention of moving off Windows - just establishing other platforms. > I'd put money on Windows 9 going Metro only I will take this bet for any odds you are willing to give. The fact that you are even considering this as a possible outcome shows that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

noibl 14y ago
> the rate of PC shipments is still increasing. Gartner and IDC: PC shipments tumbled over 8 percent in Q3[1] That's the second consecutive quarter of negative global growth.[2] >> The consumer PC market has cratered since the iPad > There are a lot more PCs sold per quarter than iPads I don't think 'since the iPad' meant losing out solely to iPad sales. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/gartner-and-idc-pc-shipments-tumbled-over-8-percent-in-q3/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/gartner-and-idc-pc-shipme... [2] http://www.consumerit.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1235:very-slight-emea-pc-growth-in-q2-2012-&catid=20&Itemid=100017 http://www.consumerit.eu/index.php?option=com_content&vi...
- rednukleus 14y ago
  So the quarter before a major new Windows OS release, the number of computers sold decreased? Earth shattering You're grasping at straws, Windows is not going anywhere in a hurry. You may not like it, but to ignore this fact is to ignore reality.
  - noibl 14y ago
    I guess you missed the part where demand for this hugely anticipated OS release is looking decidedly weak?[0][1][2] (I love that after telling one person they don't know what they're talking about, while making obviously false claims yourself, you continue to lecture about 'reality'.) BTW, I'm not posting in support of Lewisham's thesis, so I have no need for straws. [0] TFA [1] http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/12/03/Why-Windows-8-Cant-Save-the-PC-Industry.aspx#page1 http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/12/03/Why-Window... [2] http://news.investors.com/technology/101612-629557-intel-beats-lowered-q3-estimates.htm?p=full http://news.investors.com/technology/101612-629557-intel-bea...
    - rednukleus 14y ago
      > while making obviously false claims yourself What claims have I made that are false? So after a couple of weak quarters, PC sales are what, twice the rate of tablets? 3 times? Go ahead, try to pretend that Windows is no longer relevant - but if you want to actually understand the market, which is what I thought this website was for, then you can't support ridiculous claims like "Windows PC sales have cratered since the iPad was released".
      - noibl 14y ago
        > What claims have I made that are false? You said they're growing. They're shrinking. I'm out.
        rednukleus 14y ago
        They shrunk in one quarter. There are some early indications that by some measures they might have shrunk in Q4 as well. You know full well that the statement you are trying to defend, that "Windows 8 PC sales have cratered since the iPad" is indefensible.
        noibl 14y ago
        I know I said I was done but since you keep harping on the point, I'll just leave this here: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2012/10/11/1349956766521/Screen_Shot_2012-10-11_at_12.20.56.png http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/... It shows global PC sales flat since the start of 2010. The iPad debuted in April 2010.

noibl 14y ago

> the rate of PC shipments is still increasing. Gartner and IDC: PC shipments tumbled over 8 percent in Q3[1] That's the second consecutive quarter of negative global growth.[2] >> The consumer PC market has cratered since the iPad > There are a lot more PCs sold per quarter than iPads I don't think 'since the iPad' meant losing out solely to iPad sales. [1] http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/gartner-and-idc-pc-shipments-tumbled-over-8-percent-in-q3/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/10/gartner-and-idc-pc-shipme... [2] http://www.consumerit.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1235:very-slight-emea-pc-growth-in-q2-2012-&catid=20&Itemid=100017 http://www.consumerit.eu/index.php?option=com_content&vi...

rednukleus 14y ago
So the quarter before a major new Windows OS release, the number of computers sold decreased? Earth shattering You're grasping at straws, Windows is not going anywhere in a hurry. You may not like it, but to ignore this fact is to ignore reality.
- noibl 14y ago
  I guess you missed the part where demand for this hugely anticipated OS release is looking decidedly weak?[0][1][2] (I love that after telling one person they don't know what they're talking about, while making obviously false claims yourself, you continue to lecture about 'reality'.) BTW, I'm not posting in support of Lewisham's thesis, so I have no need for straws. [0] TFA [1] http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/12/03/Why-Windows-8-Cant-Save-the-PC-Industry.aspx#page1 http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2012/12/03/Why-Window... [2] http://news.investors.com/technology/101612-629557-intel-beats-lowered-q3-estimates.htm?p=full http://news.investors.com/technology/101612-629557-intel-bea...
  - rednukleus 14y ago
    > while making obviously false claims yourself What claims have I made that are false? So after a couple of weak quarters, PC sales are what, twice the rate of tablets? 3 times? Go ahead, try to pretend that Windows is no longer relevant - but if you want to actually understand the market, which is what I thought this website was for, then you can't support ridiculous claims like "Windows PC sales have cratered since the iPad was released".
    - noibl 14y ago
      > What claims have I made that are false? You said they're growing. They're shrinking. I'm out.
      - rednukleus 14y ago
        They shrunk in one quarter. There are some early indications that by some measures they might have shrunk in Q4 as well. You know full well that the statement you are trying to defend, that "Windows 8 PC sales have cratered since the iPad" is indefensible.
        noibl 14y ago
        I know I said I was done but since you keep harping on the point, I'll just leave this here: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/2012/10/11/1349956766521/Screen_Shot_2012-10-11_at_12.20.56.png http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Technology/Pix/pictures/... It shows global PC sales flat since the start of 2010. The iPad debuted in April 2010.