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I appreciate your graciously thorough response. Judging from this and other comments, are we all agreed then that the "programmatic" surveillance is quite conce
by joshuahedlund 14y ago
I appreciate your graciously thorough response. Judging from this and other comments, are we all agreed then that the "programmatic" surveillance is quite concerning? Am I correct in understanding that even though it's not supposed to "intentionally" target US citizens, they can't even provide an estimate of how many citizens have been included, implying that perhaps many citizens in fact have been?
- tptacek 14y agoSure, programmatic surveillance is concerning, and oversight is good, and more of it is needed. But people in this debate tend to forget that we are debating the oversight of our spies. How much transparency do we expect?
- neumann_alfred 14y agoSpies? I'd call it Secret Police.
- tptacek 14y ago... why would you call it "secret police"?
- neumann_alfred 14y agoBecause that's what espionage against your own citizens, under the pretext of defense against external threats, for the purpose of defense from external threats and bespoke citizens, is.
- tptacek 14y agoNo, it isn't. You need to read more about the East German and Soviet Secret Police.
- neumann_alfred 14y agoYes, it is. You need to read more about how Sweden does espionage. See how that works?