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Absolutely 100%. Now I'm very biased against this "AI" stuff in general, but even fans of "AI" can't want this, right? I mean I know some people who are heavy "

by mort96 11d ago

Absolutely 100%. Now I'm very biased against this "AI" stuff in general, but even fans of "AI" can't want this, right? I mean I know some people who are heavy "AI" users and they all either have a setup with Cursor/Codex/Zed/VSCode/whatever or their preferred local model, they'd never ever want to use "whatever Apple happens to ship with the OS". Same with the model Google bundled into their browser, growing Chrome from roughly 200MB to over 4GB. Who's the target audience here? It's investors isn't it.

logancbrown 11d ago
You can't imagine a singular person and reason who would want an improved Siri?
- mort96 11d ago
  On their laptop? No, not really. I guess the selling point is that your computer now suggests file names for you?
  - wat10000 11d ago
    The selling point is being able to say things like "remind me about the next early release from school the night before" and it'll dig up the info from your emails and then create the reminder.
    - mort96 11d ago
      And people really trust the bot to do that stuff for them? They risk letting down their kid by not being there to pick them up just to save half a minute of finding the right email? That sounds crazy to me, creating a reminder isn't exactly hard
howunfortunate 11d ago
It's pretty nice from an app developers perspective. It allows me to save money by calling a model on the users device rather than spending tokens (or forcing the user to spend tokens).
- mort96 11d ago
  What does your users want your app to do with a language model?
MarcScott 11d ago
No, there are a tonne of Apple users that aren't developers, that will probably love this. They'll currently be using paid subscriptions to OpenAI, but only via the web app, and will happily switch to using Apple Intelligence.
- mort96 11d ago
  Is Apple Intelligence's local models better than free ChatGPT?
eastbound 11d ago
I think a large part of our ecosystem is: 1. Lose the user, make him struggle to find items in the Start menu (Windows), struggle to type words on the keyboard (iOS), or struggle to manage find their subscription (Atlassian), 2. ??? 3. Profit If it's a dark pattern, I'd like to know what step 2 is. Who knows, maybe the goal is to overwhelm the user and it's a spy operation from the KGB.
jm4 11d ago
I actually like AI tools, but I don’t use Apple Intelligence. It’s literally the worst in class. It feels very late 90’s Microsoft. They are shoving it on us when we don’t want it and it’s worse than everything else out there. It’s the Windows Media Player of the AI industry.

by mort96 11d ago

logancbrown 11d ago

You can't imagine a singular person and reason who would want an improved Siri?

mort96 11d ago
On their laptop? No, not really. I guess the selling point is that your computer now suggests file names for you?
- wat10000 11d ago
  The selling point is being able to say things like "remind me about the next early release from school the night before" and it'll dig up the info from your emails and then create the reminder.
  - mort96 11d ago
    And people really trust the bot to do that stuff for them? They risk letting down their kid by not being there to pick them up just to save half a minute of finding the right email? That sounds crazy to me, creating a reminder isn't exactly hard

howunfortunate 11d ago

It's pretty nice from an app developers perspective. It allows me to save money by calling a model on the users device rather than spending tokens (or forcing the user to spend tokens).

mort96 11d ago
What does your users want your app to do with a language model?

MarcScott 11d ago

No, there are a tonne of Apple users that aren't developers, that will probably love this. They'll currently be using paid subscriptions to OpenAI, but only via the web app, and will happily switch to using Apple Intelligence.

mort96 11d ago
Is Apple Intelligence's local models better than free ChatGPT?

eastbound 11d ago

I think a large part of our ecosystem is: 1. Lose the user, make him struggle to find items in the Start menu (Windows), struggle to type words on the keyboard (iOS), or struggle to manage find their subscription (Atlassian), 2. ??? 3. Profit If it's a dark pattern, I'd like to know what step 2 is. Who knows, maybe the goal is to overwhelm the user and it's a spy operation from the KGB.

jm4 11d ago

I actually like AI tools, but I don’t use Apple Intelligence. It’s literally the worst in class. It feels very late 90’s Microsoft. They are shoving it on us when we don’t want it and it’s worse than everything else out there. It’s the Windows Media Player of the AI industry.