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Judging by Elon's staggering success in all of his ventures I'd say you're out of touch.

thereitgoes456 5d ago
He has had many failures, SolarCity and xAI and X and DOGE to name a few, but he has often bailed them out with his larger ventures. Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.
- voidfunc 5d ago
  > Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage. So what? Thats called being a maverick. He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.
  - andsoitis 5d ago
    > He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business. Also pushing technology forward.
- redox99 5d ago
  xAI is the most profitable part of SpaceX by far.
  - blisterpeanuts 5d ago
    About half of SpaceX revenue is Starlink subscriptions. Starlink is the one profitable division; the rest of the company operates at a loss, including xAI.
    - redox99 5d ago
      That's outdated and doesn't fully include the multiple billion per month contracts. Anthropic: 1.25B/month Google: 0.92B/month Unnamed customer starting in december: 1.1B/month Starlink monthly revenue is ~1.5B/month
      - chris_money202 5d ago
        Isn't this to rent the datacenters though? That's not really long term revenue if xAI will eventually need them back.
        redox99 5d ago
        Renting datacenters is their mission, now on earth and later in space (assuming they deliver).
- sssilver 5d ago
  I take issue with your use of the word "bend" here. Can you provide specific examples of where Elon has bent the levers of government?
- brandonagr2 5d ago
  What failed with X? Usage today is higher than ever
  - nozzlegear 5d ago
    Brand reputation; ROI; grok the sexual harassment bot; grok the CSAM bot; his free speech absolutism position. Take your pick.
chris_money202 5d ago
Think we all can agree he has had staggering successes, but they have all come from having massive capital from Paypal which wasn't anything super innovative, it just solved a convenient problem at a convenient time and was awarded handsomely. Elon has put his capital to work in various ways to become successful, not all of the ways being morally sound.
zamalek 5d ago
All except Starlink and Tesla are burning money. I personally don't consider that "staggering success."
toader 5d ago
Multiple things can be true at once, he can be wildly successful while also undermining democracy.
oulipo 5d ago
You mean because he inherited wealth? sure, that's what most losers do

He has had many failures, SolarCity and xAI and X and DOGE to name a few, but he has often bailed them out with his larger ventures. Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage.

voidfunc 5d ago
> Even with his successes (Tesla, SpaceX) he has built them up in large part by bending levers of government to his advantage. So what? Thats called being a maverick. He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business.
- andsoitis 5d ago
  > He is very very good at executing on making money which is the point of business. Also pushing technology forward.
redox99 5d ago
xAI is the most profitable part of SpaceX by far.
- blisterpeanuts 5d ago
  About half of SpaceX revenue is Starlink subscriptions. Starlink is the one profitable division; the rest of the company operates at a loss, including xAI.
  - redox99 5d ago
    That's outdated and doesn't fully include the multiple billion per month contracts. Anthropic: 1.25B/month Google: 0.92B/month Unnamed customer starting in december: 1.1B/month Starlink monthly revenue is ~1.5B/month
    - chris_money202 5d ago
      Isn't this to rent the datacenters though? That's not really long term revenue if xAI will eventually need them back.
      - redox99 5d ago
        Renting datacenters is their mission, now on earth and later in space (assuming they deliver).
sssilver 5d ago
I take issue with your use of the word "bend" here. Can you provide specific examples of where Elon has bent the levers of government?
brandonagr2 5d ago
What failed with X? Usage today is higher than ever
- nozzlegear 5d ago
  Brand reputation; ROI; grok the sexual harassment bot; grok the CSAM bot; his free speech absolutism position. Take your pick.

chris_money202 5d ago

Think we all can agree he has had staggering successes, but they have all come from having massive capital from Paypal which wasn't anything super innovative, it just solved a convenient problem at a convenient time and was awarded handsomely. Elon has put his capital to work in various ways to become successful, not all of the ways being morally sound.

zamalek 5d ago

All except Starlink and Tesla are burning money. I personally don't consider that "staggering success."

toader 5d ago

Multiple things can be true at once, he can be wildly successful while also undermining democracy.

oulipo 5d ago

You mean because he inherited wealth? sure, that's what most losers do