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Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.

by jtbayly 13d ago

wahnfrieden 13d ago
Time to permanently offboard from Apple ecosystem then
- jtbayly 13d ago
  Perhaps eventually. I know I’m in a “closed ecosystem,” and that removes a fair bit of choice in a variety of places. But Apple is known to walk bad decisions back at times. This update is an example, with liquid glass. Another recent one was the iCloud private email planned domain change being scrapped.
  - wahnfrieden 13d ago
    Liquid Glass was rushed out because their flagship WWDC feature, Apple Intelligence, wasn’t ready as expected. They knew they didn’t finish refining Glass as they had intended to. They had unfinished work with Glass that got pushed to this year due to the last minute change in direction. The refinements we got weren’t only the product of feedback and they already intended to revisit the design. This situation is a bit different where they’ve taken several years delay now to refine their AI strategy before releasing it. If they let users permanently opt out of their AI rollouts this early on, their stock will plummet. They’re going to focus on making it better to drive adoption and value instead of letting people remove themselves from exposure to what they have in the pipeline.
  - bee_rider 13d ago
    I mean they added a slider to make Liquid Glass slightly less bad, but the “good” end is just the old “reduce transparency” option. They’ve got a lot of progress to make, if they are ever going to give us back the pre-liquid-glass UI density.
worldsavior 13d ago
Though what about security fixes?
kristofferR 13d ago
macOS 27 is way faster and more stable than macOS 26 though, so unless you are on an ancient version it doesn't make sense to not upgrade.
- CodingJeebus 13d ago
  I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. It's not no-brainer update yet, IMO.
  - platevoltage 13d ago
    It keeps putting my left mounted dock on the wrong monitor for some reason. never happened before.
  - alwillis 13d ago
    > I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. Lucky for us, macOS 27.2 is already in beta: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/21/apple-seeds-macos-27-2-beta-2/ https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/21/apple-seeds-macos-27-2-...
- seam_carver 13d ago
  macOS 15 still gets security updates.
- jtbayly 13d ago
  On one of my machines, I don’t know if I could even make it fit. So it’s a no-brainer to not update on that one, if they are going to force an extra 14GB download on me.
sleepybrett 13d ago
why is a local model any different than any other file they want to install with their os?
- hbn 13d ago
  Well because it could be an extra ~20GB which is not nothing if you have a 256GB disk.
- soapdog 13d ago
  because some people don't want AI and would rather even the files were not present in their computer.
- njovin 13d ago
  It's 14GB of something I don't want, need, nor have any use for, on a machine that is notorious for making storage upgrades difficult.
- SkyeCA 13d ago
  By that logic why not fill the hard drive with OS data? This is a company mind you that still sells some laptops with a base configuration of 256GB, so 10-20GB isn't an insignificant amount to many users especially when it's taken by a feature they may not even use.
- alwillis 13d ago
  Friendly reminder: Many apps (like dictation apps) ship with their own models totally separate from Apple Intelligence. For example, Co-Typist [1] is very useful, but it requires a model installed with it, ranging from Gemma 3 1B at 0.8 GB to Gemma 4 26B A4B Pro at 15.7 GB. It recommended Gemma E2B (3.2 GB) for my 16 GB, M1 Pro MacBook Pro. It works really well; the autocompletion is so good, it knows what I'm going to type before I do! Here's the thing: you may not be aware of the amount of storage being used by models in various 3rd-party apps. The open-source app What The Model [2] scans your machine and reports all the models it finds and gives you the total amount of storage being used. [1]: https://cotypist.app https://cotypist.app [2]: https://github.com/powtac/wtm https://github.com/powtac/wtm
drooopy 13d ago
I still don't see a good reason to upgrade from Sequoia.
- plutokras 13d ago
  I was skipping Tahoe too after seeing all those posts about the differently rounded corners. This time I took the plunge and upgraded, and I have to admit the whole system, especially Safari is much more snappy than before.

Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.

by jtbayly 13d ago

Yeah, I’ll wait to update my computers until Apple gives us an actual choice.

wahnfrieden 13d ago

Time to permanently offboard from Apple ecosystem then

jtbayly 13d ago
Perhaps eventually. I know I’m in a “closed ecosystem,” and that removes a fair bit of choice in a variety of places. But Apple is known to walk bad decisions back at times. This update is an example, with liquid glass. Another recent one was the iCloud private email planned domain change being scrapped.
- wahnfrieden 13d ago
  Liquid Glass was rushed out because their flagship WWDC feature, Apple Intelligence, wasn’t ready as expected. They knew they didn’t finish refining Glass as they had intended to. They had unfinished work with Glass that got pushed to this year due to the last minute change in direction. The refinements we got weren’t only the product of feedback and they already intended to revisit the design. This situation is a bit different where they’ve taken several years delay now to refine their AI strategy before releasing it. If they let users permanently opt out of their AI rollouts this early on, their stock will plummet. They’re going to focus on making it better to drive adoption and value instead of letting people remove themselves from exposure to what they have in the pipeline.
- bee_rider 13d ago
  I mean they added a slider to make Liquid Glass slightly less bad, but the “good” end is just the old “reduce transparency” option. They’ve got a lot of progress to make, if they are ever going to give us back the pre-liquid-glass UI density.

worldsavior 13d ago

Though what about security fixes?

kristofferR 13d ago

macOS 27 is way faster and more stable than macOS 26 though, so unless you are on an ancient version it doesn't make sense to not upgrade.

CodingJeebus 13d ago
I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. It's not no-brainer update yet, IMO.
- platevoltage 13d ago
  It keeps putting my left mounted dock on the wrong monitor for some reason. never happened before.
- alwillis 13d ago
  > I've hit some really weird window/workspace UI bugs so far in MacOS27. Lucky for us, macOS 27.2 is already in beta: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/21/apple-seeds-macos-27-2-beta-2/ https://www.macrumors.com/2026/09/21/apple-seeds-macos-27-2-...
seam_carver 13d ago
macOS 15 still gets security updates.
jtbayly 13d ago
On one of my machines, I don’t know if I could even make it fit. So it’s a no-brainer to not update on that one, if they are going to force an extra 14GB download on me.

sleepybrett 13d ago

why is a local model any different than any other file they want to install with their os?

hbn 13d ago
Well because it could be an extra ~20GB which is not nothing if you have a 256GB disk.
soapdog 13d ago
because some people don't want AI and would rather even the files were not present in their computer.
njovin 13d ago
It's 14GB of something I don't want, need, nor have any use for, on a machine that is notorious for making storage upgrades difficult.
SkyeCA 13d ago
By that logic why not fill the hard drive with OS data? This is a company mind you that still sells some laptops with a base configuration of 256GB, so 10-20GB isn't an insignificant amount to many users especially when it's taken by a feature they may not even use.
alwillis 13d ago
Friendly reminder: Many apps (like dictation apps) ship with their own models totally separate from Apple Intelligence. For example, Co-Typist [1] is very useful, but it requires a model installed with it, ranging from Gemma 3 1B at 0.8 GB to Gemma 4 26B A4B Pro at 15.7 GB. It recommended Gemma E2B (3.2 GB) for my 16 GB, M1 Pro MacBook Pro. It works really well; the autocompletion is so good, it knows what I'm going to type before I do! Here's the thing: you may not be aware of the amount of storage being used by models in various 3rd-party apps. The open-source app What The Model [2] scans your machine and reports all the models it finds and gives you the total amount of storage being used. [1]: https://cotypist.app https://cotypist.app [2]: https://github.com/powtac/wtm https://github.com/powtac/wtm

drooopy 13d ago

I still don't see a good reason to upgrade from Sequoia.

plutokras 13d ago
I was skipping Tahoe too after seeing all those posts about the differently rounded corners. This time I took the plunge and upgraded, and I have to admit the whole system, especially Safari is much more snappy than before.