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Man, I'm already burnt out on all this jev talk. The one thing jev has going for it is a dedicated company focused entirely on making the product good and keep
by prodigycorp 13d ago
Man, I'm already burnt out on all this jev talk.
The one thing jev has going for it is a dedicated company focused entirely on making the product good and keeping it maintained. I haven't been willing to jump on board with all these jev-shaped projects because their releases feel driven mostly by opportunism. I'm fine waiting a bit for the opportunists to shake out so we can see who is genuinely committed to bringing something valuable to the open-weight community.
Jev is much better than the traditional ML crowd gives it credit for, but my enthusiasm hits a wall when it comes to their data policy. It is completely draconian. Whatever you feed into the system, they retain.
The jev team needs to release a ZDR product, or their platform is dead on arrival. An open, jev-shaped model will win out solely on that basis.
- kerwioru9238492 13d agohttps://typesafe.ai/legal/privacy-policy https://typesafe.ai/legal/privacy-policy In their privacy policy they say We (1) will not train or fine tune any artificial intelligence or machine learning models on Input, and (2) will not disclose any Input to a third party other than our service providers.
- prodigycorp 13d agoYeah but they reserve the right to retain the data virtually indefinitely. These aren’t acceptable terms on a personal or corporate level. I’ve seen some fools brag about proxying their life through jev. Messages, emails, LLM calls, files.
- zambal 13d agoAccording to https://docs.typesafe.ai/legal https://docs.typesafe.ai/legal they do offer ZDR for enterprise customers.
- prodigycorp 13d agoI missed that. Typesafe, why is this hidden in your docs?!
- preuceian 13d agoWhat about throughput (reasoning) and output? Or can we reasonably assume those are downstream of input and therefore covered by this policy as well?
- cle 13d agoWill they train or fine tune on derivatives of input? I'd prefer if these companies would just enumerate what they will do with my data rather than these vague over-specific claims about what they will not do, which leave me with more questions than answers.
- doublerabbit 13d agoIt's Openclaw all over again.
- prodigycorp 13d agoI was enthusiastic about the release of jev much more than I was openclaw because new generative primitive are fun to play around with. But this may be the fastest I’ve ever gotten to being sick and tired of the discussion cycle around it.
- magimas 13d ago> I'm fine waiting a bit for the opportunists to shake out so we can see who is genuinely committed to bringing something valuable to the open-weight community. that is generally a very healthy attitude in the AI space anyway in my opinion. Some of our R&D departments haven't actually finished an interesting project in years because they keep jumping from trend to trend wanting to try out all the latest shit all the time.
- jldugger 13d agoAgentic has now replaced javascript for the "It has been 0 weeks since the last Y framework" meme.
- max-privatevoid 13d ago> ZDR Does anyone actually believe this?
- hhh 13d agoThey offer ZDR. It was effortless to get.