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> "It also happens to be a Mac, with an operating system that looks nice and doesn’t suck" Yes Apple has some of the best hardware out there, albeit overpriced

> "It also happens to be a Mac, with an operating system that looks nice and doesn’t suck" Yes Apple has some of the best hardware out there, albeit overpriced. But the software is such a hindrance and I can't take anyone that states otherwise seriously. If only it had proper Linux support (and the Asahi people do an amazing job but you can reverse-engineer only so many stuff with limited funding, and then you have to do it again for new models). MacOS is good if you just want to have a standard experience, which to be fair is most people. It's good for just setting up an LLM server I guess since the hardware is a perfect fit. I wouldn't touch it otherwise.

steve1977 16d ago
What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux? I get it on Windows systems, at least when someone wants to use Linux-type tooling. But macOS already supports pretty much all of that natively?
- RunSet 16d ago
  > What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux? For starters, the source code.
  - steve1977 16d ago
    And why would you need that to run LLMs? Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions notably also the kernel https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu
    - throw0101c 16d ago
      > Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components: Strictly speaking, Apple can claim to ship a UNIX® operating system: * https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm * https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
      - steve1977 16d ago
        Yeah for a while they used that in marketing copy actually, but it's been a while I think.
    - Gracana 16d ago
      > And why would you need that to run LLMs? kokonokko1337 already said it was good enough to run LLMs, presumably RunSet isn't saying the source code is needed to run an inference server.

steve1977 16d ago

What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux? I get it on Windows systems, at least when someone wants to use Linux-type tooling. But macOS already supports pretty much all of that natively?

RunSet 16d ago
> What exactly is missing from macOS that makes you feel the need for Linux? For starters, the source code.
- steve1977 16d ago
  And why would you need that to run LLMs? Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions notably also the kernel https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/xnu
  - throw0101c 16d ago
    > Apart from that, for the UNIX part, the source is available for quite a few components: Strictly speaking, Apple can claim to ship a UNIX® operating system: * https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/apple.htm * https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/ https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/
    - steve1977 16d ago
      Yeah for a while they used that in marketing copy actually, but it's been a while I think.
  - Gracana 16d ago
    > And why would you need that to run LLMs? kokonokko1337 already said it was good enough to run LLMs, presumably RunSet isn't saying the source code is needed to run an inference server.