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Is that's why he constantly reposts russian propaganda and conspiracy theories?

2301976 5d ago
I think we have to distinguish between people who outright post Russian propaganda like Scott Ritter and people like Greenwald and Mearsheimer who say the Ukraine war is a US proxy war and was provoked. The latter applied to many US (and historically British empire wars, from where the US learned). Greenwald had a Rumble contract for daily videos during the Biden years, so I think it would be fair to say he was a Trump influencer. He also has many enemies in Brazil (e.g.. Supreme Judge Moraes), so that video could have come from anywhere. But yes, he could also have been threatened over the Snowden files earlier.
- ekjhgkejhgk 5d ago
  Suppose that I grant you that the Ukraine war was "provoked by the US" - which I most certainly don't. But suppose. It might still be the case that something is true AND propaganda. Good propaganda has a grain of truth. The key for identifying propaganda isn't "is a statement false?" but "is one of the sides pushing the statement, because it's benefitial for them". In this sense, "the Ukraine war was provoked by the US" would be propaganda even if it were true - which it's not. That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim.
  - 123886 5d ago
    > That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim. That is a fine example of propaganda: All people, including historians who evaluate different possibilities, surely want to paint Russia as the victim! You are literally forbidding people to think.
    - bigyabai 5d ago
      Tragic: "No Way To Prevent This" Claims Only World Superpower Losing 10,000+ Personnel Per Month
      - pphysch 5d ago
        According to the other side.
- mopsi 5d ago
  > I think we have to distinguish between people who outright post Russian propaganda like Scott Ritter and people like Greenwald and Mearsheimer who say the Ukraine war is a US proxy war and was provoked. The Russian government literally finances Mearsheimer's books. It's written on the title page. Doesn't get any closer to government propaganda than that.
  - 3hG1 5d ago
    Valdai financing in 2023 does look bad. But his 2015 talk "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" does not appear to have any financing and says the same already. In 1993 he advocated for Ukraine to keep nuclear weapons: https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mearsheimer-Case-for-Ukrainian-Nuclear-Deterrent.pdf https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mears... All is in line with his realist great powers philosophy (the 1993 analysis differs of course because there was no significant NATO expansion yet). I'm sure he would take CNN money, too, but they don't invite him. That is the problem if you isolate people.
- root_axis 5d ago
  The consistent through-line of Greenwald's journalism from the Bush era through to the Trump era is an anti-u.s pro Russia narrative.

2301976 5d ago

I think we have to distinguish between people who outright post Russian propaganda like Scott Ritter and people like Greenwald and Mearsheimer who say the Ukraine war is a US proxy war and was provoked. The latter applied to many US (and historically British empire wars, from where the US learned). Greenwald had a Rumble contract for daily videos during the Biden years, so I think it would be fair to say he was a Trump influencer. He also has many enemies in Brazil (e.g.. Supreme Judge Moraes), so that video could have come from anywhere. But yes, he could also have been threatened over the Snowden files earlier.

ekjhgkejhgk 5d ago
Suppose that I grant you that the Ukraine war was "provoked by the US" - which I most certainly don't. But suppose. It might still be the case that something is true AND propaganda. Good propaganda has a grain of truth. The key for identifying propaganda isn't "is a statement false?" but "is one of the sides pushing the statement, because it's benefitial for them". In this sense, "the Ukraine war was provoked by the US" would be propaganda even if it were true - which it's not. That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim.
- 123886 5d ago
  > That said, I think you have to be proficient at mental gymnastics to believe that the aggressor is actually the victim. That is a fine example of propaganda: All people, including historians who evaluate different possibilities, surely want to paint Russia as the victim! You are literally forbidding people to think.
  - bigyabai 5d ago
    Tragic: "No Way To Prevent This" Claims Only World Superpower Losing 10,000+ Personnel Per Month
    - pphysch 5d ago
      According to the other side.
mopsi 5d ago
> I think we have to distinguish between people who outright post Russian propaganda like Scott Ritter and people like Greenwald and Mearsheimer who say the Ukraine war is a US proxy war and was provoked. The Russian government literally finances Mearsheimer's books. It's written on the title page. Doesn't get any closer to government propaganda than that.
- 3hG1 5d ago
  Valdai financing in 2023 does look bad. But his 2015 talk "Why Ukraine is the West's fault" does not appear to have any financing and says the same already. In 1993 he advocated for Ukraine to keep nuclear weapons: https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mearsheimer-Case-for-Ukrainian-Nuclear-Deterrent.pdf https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Mears... All is in line with his realist great powers philosophy (the 1993 analysis differs of course because there was no significant NATO expansion yet). I'm sure he would take CNN money, too, but they don't invite him. That is the problem if you isolate people.
root_axis 5d ago
The consistent through-line of Greenwald's journalism from the Bush era through to the Trump era is an anti-u.s pro Russia narrative.