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China is headed for a demographic disaster, though. High schools are incredibly packed, middle schools, not so much and primary schools and kindergartens are ki

China is headed for a demographic disaster, though. High schools are incredibly packed, middle schools, not so much and primary schools and kindergartens are kind of empty.

lazide 12d ago
Everyone is, not just China.
- belowavgiq 12d ago
  Everyone stupid enough to let that happen is. There is a handful of developed countries where this is not an issue.
  - lazide 12d ago
    Population collapse? Who, besides Zimbabwe?
  - HarHarVeryFunny 12d ago
    It's hard to say that it's stupidity (at least not country-specific stupidity) - it seems that globally, presumably due to the state of the world along many axis, many people are choosing to have fewer children, and it's happening on a large enough scale to have major consequences for things like the size of your tax base, trying to keep your economy growing, demographic concerns over an aging population with no-one to look after or pay for them etc, etc. Different countries are handling this in different ways, with encouraging immigration being the major one. Japan is facing a major lack of workers, with many businesses having to shut down as a result, but have decided to tackle it in a different way relying on advanced robotics as an alternative to immigration. There are very few developed countries NOT having this problem. Most of the population growth is in poorer parts of the world like Africa.
    - belowavgiq 12d ago
      Well, if there are >0 developed countries that have solved this (Israel, the GCC, dare I say fairly well-off MENA countries like Jordan, Algeria, Morocco, etc., and to a minor degree Botswana) then this proves wrong the hypothesis that modern hyper-development must inherently mean population collapse. Going purely by the evolution theory and natural selection, having so few children that there is a serious risk a population will disappear in a century or two, means losing. Needless to say, this is stupid. From the entire American continent, to Europe, India more recently, Thailand, China, the Koreas, Japan. Africans, Arabs, and some non-Arab Muslim populations will carry the torch. Much respect for not falling into the trap.
      - pixl97 12d ago
        > then this proves wrong the hypothesis that modern hyper-development must inherently mean population collapse. Honestly you're reading the data completely wrong. You cannot look at it at the country level. In Israel for example the populations that are producing the most population are highly religious and less educated than those that are producing less population. It's more about memes. Religion is a meme driven breeding cult. This is why said religions tend to have very long term staying power. The particular problem here is these religions come at a cost of having to ignore a lot of reality to get to that point. Because they are faith based anything that presents a direct challenge to that faith must be setup as an enemy or it may risk the religion. Yes, religions can incorporate new information but it tends to be a slow process as it needs to involve slowly changing peoples mind to avoid instability. What this looks like in the long term is large populations of highly religious that have a fundamental disconnect from the technology that's keeping them alive. A new Late Bronze Age collapse.
        belowavgiq 12d ago
        So? How does the population being religious disprove the fact that they are developed and having children? Not to mention that I have listed around ~10 countries after Israel. Uh... Meme-based? This is such an unserious argument I don't even know what I can possibly say to that. How are they disconnected with the technology keeping them alive? All people, in GCC countries especially, are working to make 1st world development happen. Implying that religious Jews or Muslims are stuck in the Bronze Age is ignoring reality. Most European development itself came from men of science who were Christian, I thought this apparent conflict of ideas was something taught in schools.

China is headed for a demographic disaster, though. High schools are incredibly packed, middle schools, not so much and primary schools and kindergartens are kind of empty.

lazide 12d ago

Everyone is, not just China.

belowavgiq 12d ago
Everyone stupid enough to let that happen is. There is a handful of developed countries where this is not an issue.
- lazide 12d ago
  Population collapse? Who, besides Zimbabwe?
- HarHarVeryFunny 12d ago
  It's hard to say that it's stupidity (at least not country-specific stupidity) - it seems that globally, presumably due to the state of the world along many axis, many people are choosing to have fewer children, and it's happening on a large enough scale to have major consequences for things like the size of your tax base, trying to keep your economy growing, demographic concerns over an aging population with no-one to look after or pay for them etc, etc. Different countries are handling this in different ways, with encouraging immigration being the major one. Japan is facing a major lack of workers, with many businesses having to shut down as a result, but have decided to tackle it in a different way relying on advanced robotics as an alternative to immigration. There are very few developed countries NOT having this problem. Most of the population growth is in poorer parts of the world like Africa.
  - belowavgiq 12d ago
    Well, if there are >0 developed countries that have solved this (Israel, the GCC, dare I say fairly well-off MENA countries like Jordan, Algeria, Morocco, etc., and to a minor degree Botswana) then this proves wrong the hypothesis that modern hyper-development must inherently mean population collapse. Going purely by the evolution theory and natural selection, having so few children that there is a serious risk a population will disappear in a century or two, means losing. Needless to say, this is stupid. From the entire American continent, to Europe, India more recently, Thailand, China, the Koreas, Japan. Africans, Arabs, and some non-Arab Muslim populations will carry the torch. Much respect for not falling into the trap.
    - pixl97 12d ago
      > then this proves wrong the hypothesis that modern hyper-development must inherently mean population collapse. Honestly you're reading the data completely wrong. You cannot look at it at the country level. In Israel for example the populations that are producing the most population are highly religious and less educated than those that are producing less population. It's more about memes. Religion is a meme driven breeding cult. This is why said religions tend to have very long term staying power. The particular problem here is these religions come at a cost of having to ignore a lot of reality to get to that point. Because they are faith based anything that presents a direct challenge to that faith must be setup as an enemy or it may risk the religion. Yes, religions can incorporate new information but it tends to be a slow process as it needs to involve slowly changing peoples mind to avoid instability. What this looks like in the long term is large populations of highly religious that have a fundamental disconnect from the technology that's keeping them alive. A new Late Bronze Age collapse.
      - belowavgiq 12d ago
        So? How does the population being religious disprove the fact that they are developed and having children? Not to mention that I have listed around ~10 countries after Israel. Uh... Meme-based? This is such an unserious argument I don't even know what I can possibly say to that. How are they disconnected with the technology keeping them alive? All people, in GCC countries especially, are working to make 1st world development happen. Implying that religious Jews or Muslims are stuck in the Bronze Age is ignoring reality. Most European development itself came from men of science who were Christian, I thought this apparent conflict of ideas was something taught in schools.