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> I think it's also useful to recognise that it comes across as self-serving platitudes for a lot of people who aren't already in that kinda zone. While true,

by danvayn 13d ago

> I think it's also useful to recognise that it comes across as self-serving platitudes for a lot of people who aren't already in that kinda zone. While true, I think trying to complicate or make this lesson “all accompanying” to make it more accurate to the real world would make it lose something in the process. Many things we do or aspire to be are in some way cope for the world we find ourselves in, and cope is made to be simple and consumable like this. We all know it’s more complicated than what the mantras here entail; it doesn’t make the ideology any less significant for me though. As you are right, there are times when this would’ve ‘vibed with me’ and those are now behind me, like you. But even now, I still see the significance of these platitudes. They beat a lack of them, for me.

1dom 13d ago
I agree. There's definitely value in it. But I think you put it well that the problem is making it all accompanying. e.g. > Something that people learn quickly when they work with me is that my approach to pretty much every problem is: The overall sentiment is good, positive and actionable (think, do informed things intentionally, understand things well) but I feel like the tone tries to make it all accompanying and somewhat unquestionable, which is confusing for an article titled "I am often wrong" that ends with "I am open to changing it". > They beat a lack of them, for me. I generally agree, but I feel like there's a midground where we acknowledge positive, productive motivation, whilst also acknowledging that it is not how normal humans go around talking about their normal day to day activities. I feel I only see this stuff in environments where people are expected to be pushed to the point of being uncomfortable, and to be okay with it. There's a time and a place for that. I think it's not always sustainable, but that's not always understood/believed by younger engineers/younger me (and younger you?) I think without that nuance, things like this will always be criticised/torn apart by people not currently in that kinda zone.
ambicapter 13d ago
> I think trying to complicate or make this lesson “all accompanying” to make it more accurate to the real world would make it lose something in the process. Yeah, it would lose any credibility it had as you realize that there’s nothing new there.

by danvayn 13d ago

1dom 13d ago

I agree. There's definitely value in it. But I think you put it well that the problem is making it all accompanying. e.g. > Something that people learn quickly when they work with me is that my approach to pretty much every problem is: The overall sentiment is good, positive and actionable (think, do informed things intentionally, understand things well) but I feel like the tone tries to make it all accompanying and somewhat unquestionable, which is confusing for an article titled "I am often wrong" that ends with "I am open to changing it". > They beat a lack of them, for me. I generally agree, but I feel like there's a midground where we acknowledge positive, productive motivation, whilst also acknowledging that it is not how normal humans go around talking about their normal day to day activities. I feel I only see this stuff in environments where people are expected to be pushed to the point of being uncomfortable, and to be okay with it. There's a time and a place for that. I think it's not always sustainable, but that's not always understood/believed by younger engineers/younger me (and younger you?) I think without that nuance, things like this will always be criticised/torn apart by people not currently in that kinda zone.

ambicapter 13d ago

> I think trying to complicate or make this lesson “all accompanying” to make it more accurate to the real world would make it lose something in the process. Yeah, it would lose any credibility it had as you realize that there’s nothing new there.