4 ms·

Sublime Text Build 4213

63 points by konz 11d ago

ivandenysov 11d ago
What are some reasons to pick Sublime Text over Zed for someone not familiar with either?
- kzalesak 11d ago
  Sublime text is what notepad++ wished to be. There are many tasks that do not require a full IDE, not even vscode and sublime just works. Always, consistently, reliably works, is fast and a joy to use.
  - boundless88 11d ago
    If you're using AI to write code, IDE features don't really seem that important anymore.
  - Krssst 11d ago
    Also, LSP can turn Sublime Text into almost an IDE (but much more performant).
    - dartharva 11d ago
      Sublime Text's implementation of LSP is the buggiest and clunkiest I have used in a text editor
  - dartharva 11d ago
    >Sublime text is what notepad++ wished to be. Nonsense statement, Notepad++ has always been superior in every metric
    - bigstrat2003 11d ago
      Objectively, Notepad++ is inferior at cross-platform support. Subjectively, I don't like that the creator of Notepad++ uses the software itself as a platform for his politics. In either case, I prefer Sublime.
- mcrk 11d ago
  If you need to ask this question, that means there is no difference for you. Just choose one and commit.
- dsego 11d ago
  Zed pretty much copied everything over from Sublime, so it's pretty much on par. Sublime was one of the first editors to have an uncluttered UI without toolbars, but with advanced features, like multi-cursor editing and the command palette. As a long time sublime users, it still feels superior as it gets lots of small details right, like for example when I do Cmd+P to search for files and scroll through the files it will show a preview, Zed doesn't show a preview until you actually select the file.
  - sleepybrett 11d ago
    cough textmate
    - chao- 11d ago
      Technically correct. However, for the majority of humans, their first encounter with these features and behaviors could never be TextMate, and instead would be Sublime Text. TextMate never growing to be cross-platform is a major reason for Sublime Text's early growth.
    - piva00 11d ago
      Yup, I used TextMate a lot back in the early 2000s, and Sublime from around 2010 and bought a license maybe a year later. To this day I always install Sublime on my new machines, it's the perfect text editor for my needs: fast and snappy, buffers are persistent so I can use as a scratch pad without having to save files, can customise with plugins if needed, the command palette gives quite a bit of power user features. I mostly use it as a scratch pad nowadays, like if I'm debugging something, collecting a bunch of text from different places to reference quickly, nothing too advanced (nor directly related to coding) and is still one of the most satisfying programs to use on my day-to-day. It's basically always open, just waiting for a new buffer.
    - cosmic_cheese 11d ago
      I use Sublime mostly these days but I still have a soft spot for TextMate. Sublime is the closest that exists to its spiritual successor, but it’s missing the “macness” that TextMate brought back in the day, which is the cost of being a cross-platform app I suppose.
- leecommamichael 11d ago
  For me? I already have Sublime Text installed, it works great, and has never not worked great.
  - kunley 11d ago
    Ditto
- open_ 11d ago
  Sublime Text is not aligned with an 'any minute now' pivot to enshittification. And whatever it does, it does better than Zed, debatably.
- bpev 11d ago
  Don't have any metrics or anything, but I use both, and anecdotally, I feel like Sublime is snappier and gives me better battery life.
- bigstrat2003 11d ago
  Sublime Text doesn't automatically download and run language servers without your consent. Zed does, and last I looked there's no way to turn that behavior off (the devs said it's an intentional decision to make things easier for users). I am personally of the opinion that it isn't acceptable for software to start pulling in other software without my consent, so I avoid Zed like the plague. The Gram fork of Zed is pretty good, though.
- audunw 11d ago
  I’m using Zed, but I honestly can’t recommend it to anyone yet. They claim 1.0 but in reality it’s still beta software. It is fundamentally broken in how it deals with the file system so the project panel and git panel can easily miss changes, and it’s still not clear if they’ll even address it. At least it seems the next release might fix the bug where the git panel will jump to a different repo when you click on a file in it. They should seriously have fixed basic stuff like that before releasing 1.0. But they got in lots of cosmetic changes to the markdown viewer.. they really need to consider their priorities
- gwking 11d ago
  I started using Zed daily about 6 months ago after 10 years of VS Code. VS Code was having idiotic regressions (like randomly inserting a copy of the final line of a file on save) while they were busy pumping out AI features. Turns out, Zed is also busy pumping out AI features and the code editing experience is degrading. I'm actively shopping for a replacement.
KazaNLP 11d ago
I miss ST but I can’t go back after working almost exclusively in VSC for a year. ST is for serious DIYers
- Aldipower 11d ago
  I worked in VSC for 7 years and went back to Sublime Text today! VSC became so slow and overreaching..
- blacksmith_tb 11d ago
  Different horses for different courses? I wouldn't open a 100MB logfile in VS Code, but ST or Zed handle that fine. I use all three, though my ST license was for a version or two back, so I have mostly switched to Zed for those giant-file-don't-need-any-bells-and-whistles tasks.
listenfaster 11d ago
First release in over a year! I had left ST when I felt that there wasn't the will or resources to address basic usability things like https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/328 https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/328 If anyone is following along in the forums and understands the health of the team behind the product, could you give us a read on the prospective longterm health of the product? Most in my circle thing ST is dead or abandoned.
- kunley 11d ago
  Not very much following the forums, but the pace they are producing things is fine. What is "basic usability thing" for you, might be something unimportant for the rest. How the team sets the priorities might be just fine for a lot of users..
- ben-schaaf 11d ago
  Long term prospects for Sublime Text look good. The business is healthy and there is consistent work being done by a small but dedicated team. As for why specific issues aren't addressed, it's merely a prioritization thing. It's a large task, and I'm sure if you asked 100 people they'd all give you different answers for which "basic usability" thing needs to be addressed.
boundless88 11d ago
Does ST support opening a repo on a remote server? The last time I used it was back in my freshman year of college, and I haven't touched it since. Does anyone happen to know?
- plasticsoprano 11d ago
  Curiosity is killing my cat here. How are we supposed to know when your freshman year of college was? Was it a year ago, 8?
- majorchord 11d ago
  As far as I know ST is just a text editor (File -> Open -> Choose File)... so what would "opening a repo" even mean in that context?
- az09mugen 11d ago
  My use on remote servers is usually with winscp on windows and defining sublime as the default editor. Works fine for my use. I haven't looked much in the repo of plugins, but quickly searching 'ssh' there I found these (but not tested) that might fit your need : https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SSHubl https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SSHubl https://packagecontrol.io/packages/OpenFileOverSSH https://packagecontrol.io/packages/OpenFileOverSSH
pixeljam 11d ago
Does this I can finally add it to my NixOS config without having to use `permittedInsecurePackages`? https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/5984 https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/5984 :)
- ben-schaaf 11d ago
  You'd need to keep the python 3.3 plugin host disabled, but otherwise yes. OpenSSL 1.1 will be removed along with 3.3 in the next development cycle.
kylebebak 11d ago
The headline changes in this release are related to the Python plugin host: - Upgraded Python 3.8 to Python 3.14 - Python 3.3 is now disabled by default By default, Sublime plugins now all run under the Python 3.14. The 3.8 plugin host was removed (Python 3.8 reached EOL in Oct 2024), and the 3.3 plugin host is deprecated, and will be removed in a future release. This is great for plugin devs. They get improvements to syntax, performance, type hints, the standard library, etc, and they can depend on modern versions of Python packages. Many packages no longer receive updates for 3.8 (e.g. https://github.com/psf/requests https://github.com/psf/requests), let alone 3.3, and many others simply don't run on these older python versions (e.g. https://github.com/xberg-io/tree-sitter-language-pack https://github.com/xberg-io/tree-sitter-language-pack). Like the plugin systems for Emacs/Neovim/VS Code (and unlike the sandboxed systems for e.g. Zed and Helix), Sublime's plugin API has low-level access to the editor, and the runtime has full OS access. I think Sublime was smart to bet on Python for the plugin system. They released the plugin system in 2009, before Python was everywhere. The super flexible plugin API and the huge package ecosystem is a powerful combo.
- iLemming 11d ago
  Emacs doesn't have "plugins", they are called "packages" for a reason. Every Emacs package is not just a plug-n-play "product", it's a recipe, you can use them as libraries, cherry-picking behaviors you want without ever executing the main features of the package.
ElectronBadger 11d ago
The best coding editor just got better.

63 points by konz 11d ago

ivandenysov 11d ago

What are some reasons to pick Sublime Text over Zed for someone not familiar with either?

kzalesak 11d ago
Sublime text is what notepad++ wished to be. There are many tasks that do not require a full IDE, not even vscode and sublime just works. Always, consistently, reliably works, is fast and a joy to use.
- boundless88 11d ago
  If you're using AI to write code, IDE features don't really seem that important anymore.
- Krssst 11d ago
  Also, LSP can turn Sublime Text into almost an IDE (but much more performant).
  - dartharva 11d ago
    Sublime Text's implementation of LSP is the buggiest and clunkiest I have used in a text editor
- dartharva 11d ago
  >Sublime text is what notepad++ wished to be. Nonsense statement, Notepad++ has always been superior in every metric
  - bigstrat2003 11d ago
    Objectively, Notepad++ is inferior at cross-platform support. Subjectively, I don't like that the creator of Notepad++ uses the software itself as a platform for his politics. In either case, I prefer Sublime.
mcrk 11d ago
If you need to ask this question, that means there is no difference for you. Just choose one and commit.
dsego 11d ago
Zed pretty much copied everything over from Sublime, so it's pretty much on par. Sublime was one of the first editors to have an uncluttered UI without toolbars, but with advanced features, like multi-cursor editing and the command palette. As a long time sublime users, it still feels superior as it gets lots of small details right, like for example when I do Cmd+P to search for files and scroll through the files it will show a preview, Zed doesn't show a preview until you actually select the file.
- sleepybrett 11d ago
  cough textmate
  - chao- 11d ago
    Technically correct. However, for the majority of humans, their first encounter with these features and behaviors could never be TextMate, and instead would be Sublime Text. TextMate never growing to be cross-platform is a major reason for Sublime Text's early growth.
  - piva00 11d ago
    Yup, I used TextMate a lot back in the early 2000s, and Sublime from around 2010 and bought a license maybe a year later. To this day I always install Sublime on my new machines, it's the perfect text editor for my needs: fast and snappy, buffers are persistent so I can use as a scratch pad without having to save files, can customise with plugins if needed, the command palette gives quite a bit of power user features. I mostly use it as a scratch pad nowadays, like if I'm debugging something, collecting a bunch of text from different places to reference quickly, nothing too advanced (nor directly related to coding) and is still one of the most satisfying programs to use on my day-to-day. It's basically always open, just waiting for a new buffer.
  - cosmic_cheese 11d ago
    I use Sublime mostly these days but I still have a soft spot for TextMate. Sublime is the closest that exists to its spiritual successor, but it’s missing the “macness” that TextMate brought back in the day, which is the cost of being a cross-platform app I suppose.
leecommamichael 11d ago
For me? I already have Sublime Text installed, it works great, and has never not worked great.
- kunley 11d ago
  Ditto
open_ 11d ago
Sublime Text is not aligned with an 'any minute now' pivot to enshittification. And whatever it does, it does better than Zed, debatably.
bpev 11d ago
Don't have any metrics or anything, but I use both, and anecdotally, I feel like Sublime is snappier and gives me better battery life.
bigstrat2003 11d ago
Sublime Text doesn't automatically download and run language servers without your consent. Zed does, and last I looked there's no way to turn that behavior off (the devs said it's an intentional decision to make things easier for users). I am personally of the opinion that it isn't acceptable for software to start pulling in other software without my consent, so I avoid Zed like the plague. The Gram fork of Zed is pretty good, though.
audunw 11d ago
I’m using Zed, but I honestly can’t recommend it to anyone yet. They claim 1.0 but in reality it’s still beta software. It is fundamentally broken in how it deals with the file system so the project panel and git panel can easily miss changes, and it’s still not clear if they’ll even address it. At least it seems the next release might fix the bug where the git panel will jump to a different repo when you click on a file in it. They should seriously have fixed basic stuff like that before releasing 1.0. But they got in lots of cosmetic changes to the markdown viewer.. they really need to consider their priorities
gwking 11d ago
I started using Zed daily about 6 months ago after 10 years of VS Code. VS Code was having idiotic regressions (like randomly inserting a copy of the final line of a file on save) while they were busy pumping out AI features. Turns out, Zed is also busy pumping out AI features and the code editing experience is degrading. I'm actively shopping for a replacement.

KazaNLP 11d ago

I miss ST but I can’t go back after working almost exclusively in VSC for a year. ST is for serious DIYers

Aldipower 11d ago
I worked in VSC for 7 years and went back to Sublime Text today! VSC became so slow and overreaching..
blacksmith_tb 11d ago
Different horses for different courses? I wouldn't open a 100MB logfile in VS Code, but ST or Zed handle that fine. I use all three, though my ST license was for a version or two back, so I have mostly switched to Zed for those giant-file-don't-need-any-bells-and-whistles tasks.

listenfaster 11d ago

First release in over a year! I had left ST when I felt that there wasn't the will or resources to address basic usability things like https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/328 https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/328 If anyone is following along in the forums and understands the health of the team behind the product, could you give us a read on the prospective longterm health of the product? Most in my circle thing ST is dead or abandoned.

kunley 11d ago
Not very much following the forums, but the pace they are producing things is fine. What is "basic usability thing" for you, might be something unimportant for the rest. How the team sets the priorities might be just fine for a lot of users..
ben-schaaf 11d ago
Long term prospects for Sublime Text look good. The business is healthy and there is consistent work being done by a small but dedicated team. As for why specific issues aren't addressed, it's merely a prioritization thing. It's a large task, and I'm sure if you asked 100 people they'd all give you different answers for which "basic usability" thing needs to be addressed.

boundless88 11d ago

Does ST support opening a repo on a remote server? The last time I used it was back in my freshman year of college, and I haven't touched it since. Does anyone happen to know?

plasticsoprano 11d ago
Curiosity is killing my cat here. How are we supposed to know when your freshman year of college was? Was it a year ago, 8?
majorchord 11d ago
As far as I know ST is just a text editor (File -> Open -> Choose File)... so what would "opening a repo" even mean in that context?
az09mugen 11d ago
My use on remote servers is usually with winscp on windows and defining sublime as the default editor. Works fine for my use. I haven't looked much in the repo of plugins, but quickly searching 'ssh' there I found these (but not tested) that might fit your need : https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SSHubl https://packagecontrol.io/packages/SSHubl https://packagecontrol.io/packages/OpenFileOverSSH https://packagecontrol.io/packages/OpenFileOverSSH

pixeljam 11d ago

Does this I can finally add it to my NixOS config without having to use `permittedInsecurePackages`? https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/5984 https://github.com/sublimehq/sublime_text/issues/5984 :)

ben-schaaf 11d ago
You'd need to keep the python 3.3 plugin host disabled, but otherwise yes. OpenSSL 1.1 will be removed along with 3.3 in the next development cycle.

kylebebak 11d ago

The headline changes in this release are related to the Python plugin host: - Upgraded Python 3.8 to Python 3.14 - Python 3.3 is now disabled by default By default, Sublime plugins now all run under the Python 3.14. The 3.8 plugin host was removed (Python 3.8 reached EOL in Oct 2024), and the 3.3 plugin host is deprecated, and will be removed in a future release. This is great for plugin devs. They get improvements to syntax, performance, type hints, the standard library, etc, and they can depend on modern versions of Python packages. Many packages no longer receive updates for 3.8 (e.g. https://github.com/psf/requests https://github.com/psf/requests), let alone 3.3, and many others simply don't run on these older python versions (e.g. https://github.com/xberg-io/tree-sitter-language-pack https://github.com/xberg-io/tree-sitter-language-pack). Like the plugin systems for Emacs/Neovim/VS Code (and unlike the sandboxed systems for e.g. Zed and Helix), Sublime's plugin API has low-level access to the editor, and the runtime has full OS access. I think Sublime was smart to bet on Python for the plugin system. They released the plugin system in 2009, before Python was everywhere. The super flexible plugin API and the huge package ecosystem is a powerful combo.

iLemming 11d ago
Emacs doesn't have "plugins", they are called "packages" for a reason. Every Emacs package is not just a plug-n-play "product", it's a recipe, you can use them as libraries, cherry-picking behaviors you want without ever executing the main features of the package.

ElectronBadger 11d ago

The best coding editor just got better.