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He got stuck in Russia. He didn’t flee to Russia. Don’t twist facts.

firesteelrain 5d ago
He wasn’t stuck : his lawyers would contact the State Department and arrange a surrender. There is also the case of limited validity to return to the US. He chose to apply for asylum still and exiled himself. I am not making the case one way or the other because https everywhere was beneficial. But he signed up for a security clearance and knew what his obligations were (eg allegiance to the US)
- BLKNSLVR 5d ago
  Between a Rock and a Hard Place is almost the literal definition of stuck. Yes, I'm using analogies, but I know which of the two I would choose. The US has only gotten worse in it's introversion since, so his choice seems to be increasingly correct - if personal liberty is the priority.
  - firesteelrain 5d ago
    He was faced with the possibility of arrest or hoping for full asylum in Russia. It was another calculated gamble. But I don’t agree he was stuck. It was all self created problem. No one forced him to take the circuitous route he took and no one forced him to leak as himself. Could have been private/anonymous. Could have stayed in the US.
    - unsungNovelty 5d ago
      You could literally watch the snowden movie alone and get half of facts right. Don't have to even read good journalist pieces. Just a movie. Come on.
- usumgallu 5d ago
  I like to remind those with security clearances, which are really just hyper-NDAs, that the oath to the constitution supercedes any NDAs! Thats true allegiance to the US, which Snowden demonstrated, and very few people have the backbone to be/do.
  - BLKNSLVR 5d ago
    Thank you for pointing this out. So often that point gets lost in the weeds of the discussion of trivialities. The absolute irony is that Snowden is more 'ideal American' than 99% of the rest of the population, and the people that cast him in any kind of bad light should be ashamed to call themselves Americans. No good deed goes unpunished.
nl 5d ago
He fled the US and got stuck in Russia instead of Ecuador. I'm not sure that materially changes the point does it? (Unless the implication is that by saying "he fled to Russia" it somehow implies that he was on the side of Russia instead of "anywhere he can be safe from the US").
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He wasn’t stuck : his lawyers would contact the State Department and arrange a surrender. There is also the case of limited validity to return to the US. He chose to apply for asylum still and exiled himself. I am not making the case one way or the other because https everywhere was beneficial. But he signed up for a security clearance and knew what his obligations were (eg allegiance to the US)

BLKNSLVR 5d ago
Between a Rock and a Hard Place is almost the literal definition of stuck. Yes, I'm using analogies, but I know which of the two I would choose. The US has only gotten worse in it's introversion since, so his choice seems to be increasingly correct - if personal liberty is the priority.
- firesteelrain 5d ago
  He was faced with the possibility of arrest or hoping for full asylum in Russia. It was another calculated gamble. But I don’t agree he was stuck. It was all self created problem. No one forced him to take the circuitous route he took and no one forced him to leak as himself. Could have been private/anonymous. Could have stayed in the US.
  - unsungNovelty 5d ago
    You could literally watch the snowden movie alone and get half of facts right. Don't have to even read good journalist pieces. Just a movie. Come on.
usumgallu 5d ago
I like to remind those with security clearances, which are really just hyper-NDAs, that the oath to the constitution supercedes any NDAs! Thats true allegiance to the US, which Snowden demonstrated, and very few people have the backbone to be/do.
- BLKNSLVR 5d ago
  Thank you for pointing this out. So often that point gets lost in the weeds of the discussion of trivialities. The absolute irony is that Snowden is more 'ideal American' than 99% of the rest of the population, and the people that cast him in any kind of bad light should be ashamed to call themselves Americans. No good deed goes unpunished.

nl 5d ago

He fled the US and got stuck in Russia instead of Ecuador. I'm not sure that materially changes the point does it? (Unless the implication is that by saying "he fled to Russia" it somehow implies that he was on the side of Russia instead of "anywhere he can be safe from the US").

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