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Author here. How can I repro what you’re seeing? Double check you don’t have /focus mode enabled.

by bcherny 14d ago

stingraycharles 14d ago
I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself, this is an incredibly common issue. I always thought that it was perhaps referencing something that’s in its hidden thinking tokens, but the grandparent’s explanation could also very well be it.
- alasano 14d ago
  Yeah it's something server side if I recall correctly from the numerous threads, regular messages getting returned as thinking tokens or something strange. I've got a Claude session going which can check sessions and count how many of these messages I haven't seen due to this bug.
- bcherny 14d ago
  I always use /focus mode, Tag, or Projects, so didn’t notice it personally. Either way, digging in.
  - troupo 14d ago
    [flagged]
    - stingraycharles 14d ago
      This comment is needlessly hostile and adds no value to the conversation.
      - troupo 14d ago
        I feel like we should call the behaviour of people out. That is the modus operandi of Anthropic and all of its employees (at least those active on social media). More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49785996 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49785996 This behaviour is regardless of whether the issue is an edge case or it affects most of their users who are shouting from the rooftops
      - albedoa 13d ago
        You actually don't speak for us. On the contrary, it is because of threads like this that I am aware of bcherny's reputation. You are woefully ill-equipped to be assigning value to anyone's contributions or policing their tone, especially as someone who so eagerly laps up what he is fed by bad-faith actors. > I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself How much money have you lost to crypto scams.
  - jannyfer 14d ago
    On a similar topic - since you said "I always use" - is it true that nearly everyone at Anthropic is using Fable and that's why Opus 5's style of speech was not really noticed as problematic by Anthropic employees?
alasano 14d ago
Which one of multiple GitHub issues on this topic should I link to? #67071 is one of them Or #83281 which you closed as a duplicate of #67051 which was closed as not planned. There's a bunch more. Just ask Claude to search repo issues for messages not being shown.
- bcherny 14d ago
  Looking
  - _345 14d ago
    Are there days when you forget to apply your framework or you feel lazy and cheat/shortcut parts/all of the framework?
    - bcherny 14d ago
      Fairly often, yeah. Sometimes it is too easy to get excited about a solution without taking the time to specify a clear problem/goal.
      - orta 14d ago
        Yeah, I feel you here :+1:
    - cryptonector 13d ago
      I bet things fall by the wayside. The firehose volume is very high.
troupo 14d ago
The typical Anthropic/bcherny reaponse. "I've never noticed this, can you tell me more". See literally every isssue, even those widely reported.
- epihelix 14d ago
  To be fair, isn't this the standard response to issues everywhere? Generally, users will find edge cases in odd scenarios that are difficult to reproduce. (But I do not use CC and have never looked at their issue trackers, so maybe I'm missing something.)
  - troupo 14d ago
    > To be fair, isn't this the standard response to issues everywhere? No, not really. Anthropic is notorius for ignoring issues, pretending they don't exist, gaslighting and blaming users, then spending weeks fixing things that end up being obvious even to juniors. At the same time they proudly tell everyone how they don't look at code anymore and only run a gazillion Claude sessions.

Author here. How can I repro what you’re seeing? Double check you don’t have /focus mode enabled.

by bcherny 14d ago

Author here. How can I repro what you’re seeing? Double check you don’t have /focus mode enabled.

I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself, this is an incredibly common issue. I always thought that it was perhaps referencing something that’s in its hidden thinking tokens, but the grandparent’s explanation could also very well be it.

alasano 14d ago
Yeah it's something server side if I recall correctly from the numerous threads, regular messages getting returned as thinking tokens or something strange. I've got a Claude session going which can check sessions and count how many of these messages I haven't seen due to this bug.
bcherny 14d ago
I always use /focus mode, Tag, or Projects, so didn’t notice it personally. Either way, digging in.
- troupo 14d ago
  [flagged]
  - stingraycharles 14d ago
    This comment is needlessly hostile and adds no value to the conversation.
    - troupo 14d ago
      I feel like we should call the behaviour of people out. That is the modus operandi of Anthropic and all of its employees (at least those active on social media). More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49785996 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49785996 This behaviour is regardless of whether the issue is an edge case or it affects most of their users who are shouting from the rooftops
    - albedoa 13d ago
      You actually don't speak for us. On the contrary, it is because of threads like this that I am aware of bcherny's reputation. You are woefully ill-equipped to be assigning value to anyone's contributions or policing their tone, especially as someone who so eagerly laps up what he is fed by bad-faith actors. > I’m surprised that you haven’t noticed this yourself How much money have you lost to crypto scams.
- jannyfer 14d ago
  On a similar topic - since you said "I always use" - is it true that nearly everyone at Anthropic is using Fable and that's why Opus 5's style of speech was not really noticed as problematic by Anthropic employees?

alasano 14d ago

Which one of multiple GitHub issues on this topic should I link to? #67071 is one of them Or #83281 which you closed as a duplicate of #67051 which was closed as not planned. There's a bunch more. Just ask Claude to search repo issues for messages not being shown.

bcherny 14d ago
Looking
- _345 14d ago
  Are there days when you forget to apply your framework or you feel lazy and cheat/shortcut parts/all of the framework?
  - bcherny 14d ago
    Fairly often, yeah. Sometimes it is too easy to get excited about a solution without taking the time to specify a clear problem/goal.
    - orta 14d ago
      Yeah, I feel you here :+1:
  - cryptonector 13d ago
    I bet things fall by the wayside. The firehose volume is very high.

troupo 14d ago

The typical Anthropic/bcherny reaponse. "I've never noticed this, can you tell me more". See literally every isssue, even those widely reported.

epihelix 14d ago
To be fair, isn't this the standard response to issues everywhere? Generally, users will find edge cases in odd scenarios that are difficult to reproduce. (But I do not use CC and have never looked at their issue trackers, so maybe I'm missing something.)
- troupo 14d ago
  > To be fair, isn't this the standard response to issues everywhere? No, not really. Anthropic is notorius for ignoring issues, pretending they don't exist, gaslighting and blaming users, then spending weeks fixing things that end up being obvious even to juniors. At the same time they proudly tell everyone how they don't look at code anymore and only run a gazillion Claude sessions.