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So are you saying Applebaum was framed?

iamnothere 5d ago
I am not party to all the information, but he was never charged for the alleged misconduct and Die Zeit’s investigation didn’t find it convincing. Given how the Assange allegations fell apart, I think there’s a non-zero possibility that it was a defamation campaign. He didn’t help himself with some public conduct/comments that painted him unfavorably. So there is that aspect to consider. But the scope of the campaign against him felt excessive at the time, to me.
- crimsoneer 5d ago
  Did the Assange allegations fall apart? I thought he just hid until it became pretty irrelevant.
  - iamnothere 5d ago
    One of the accusers refused to sign their written statement, then disappeared. The other kept making contradictory statements and changed her story, and recently said she was “happy” that he was free, although she did not recant her accusation. Prosecutors also allegedly changed one of the statements to make it sound more serious, per the later UN investigation. They put out an Interpol notice and had him on the “most wanted” list for this, which is ridiculous. There is documented communication between the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service and Swedish authorities where the CPS is goading the Swedes into continuing the case, warning them not to get “cold feet.” The prosecution eventually dropped the case because they believed that the evidence was too weak, blaming the long gap in time. I’m not clear on how they thought the passage of time had weakened their evidence, which was limited to victim statements from the very beginning, AFAIK.
- stickfigure 5d ago
  Stop the conspiracy talk. This was Jake's chaotic personal life coming home to roost. It's not more complicated than it seems.
WarOnPrivacy 5d ago
A longish life has taught me to believe vulerable women who open themselves to ridicule, mistreatment and attack for outing more-powerful men who harmed them. The women who outed Jason Applebaum knowingly opened themselves to some harsh treatment. I believe them.
- StanislavPetrov 5d ago
  >A longish life has taught me to believe vulerable women who open themselves to ridicule, mistreatment and attack for outing more-powerful men who harmed them. A longish life has taught me to cast a very skeptical eye on anyone who comes out of the woodwork to cast evidence-free allegations on people who have raised the ire of the entire "national security" establishment.
  - WarOnPrivacy 5d ago
    > a very skeptical eye on anyone who comes out of the woodwork It wasn't one. It was eight women who put themselves in the firing line of (mostly) men, who craft no end of reasons to not believe them. I believe them.
    - StanislavPetrov 5d ago
      Many believed the women who accused Assange of rape also that led to the bogus charges that had him imprisoned in an Embassy and then a British dungeon for years. >who craft no end of reasons to not believe them. The reason is that these allegations surfaced after he aroused the ire of the national security state. That's the end of the reason.

I am not party to all the information, but he was never charged for the alleged misconduct and Die Zeit’s investigation didn’t find it convincing. Given how the Assange allegations fell apart, I think there’s a non-zero possibility that it was a defamation campaign. He didn’t help himself with some public conduct/comments that painted him unfavorably. So there is that aspect to consider. But the scope of the campaign against him felt excessive at the time, to me.

crimsoneer 5d ago
Did the Assange allegations fall apart? I thought he just hid until it became pretty irrelevant.
- iamnothere 5d ago
  One of the accusers refused to sign their written statement, then disappeared. The other kept making contradictory statements and changed her story, and recently said she was “happy” that he was free, although she did not recant her accusation. Prosecutors also allegedly changed one of the statements to make it sound more serious, per the later UN investigation. They put out an Interpol notice and had him on the “most wanted” list for this, which is ridiculous. There is documented communication between the UK’s Crown Prosecution Service and Swedish authorities where the CPS is goading the Swedes into continuing the case, warning them not to get “cold feet.” The prosecution eventually dropped the case because they believed that the evidence was too weak, blaming the long gap in time. I’m not clear on how they thought the passage of time had weakened their evidence, which was limited to victim statements from the very beginning, AFAIK.
stickfigure 5d ago
Stop the conspiracy talk. This was Jake's chaotic personal life coming home to roost. It's not more complicated than it seems.

WarOnPrivacy 5d ago

A longish life has taught me to believe vulerable women who open themselves to ridicule, mistreatment and attack for outing more-powerful men who harmed them. The women who outed Jason Applebaum knowingly opened themselves to some harsh treatment. I believe them.

StanislavPetrov 5d ago
>A longish life has taught me to believe vulerable women who open themselves to ridicule, mistreatment and attack for outing more-powerful men who harmed them. A longish life has taught me to cast a very skeptical eye on anyone who comes out of the woodwork to cast evidence-free allegations on people who have raised the ire of the entire "national security" establishment.
- WarOnPrivacy 5d ago
  > a very skeptical eye on anyone who comes out of the woodwork It wasn't one. It was eight women who put themselves in the firing line of (mostly) men, who craft no end of reasons to not believe them. I believe them.
  - StanislavPetrov 5d ago
    Many believed the women who accused Assange of rape also that led to the bogus charges that had him imprisoned in an Embassy and then a British dungeon for years. >who craft no end of reasons to not believe them. The reason is that these allegations surfaced after he aroused the ire of the national security state. That's the end of the reason.