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I have been happy with Google's Antigravity harness and Jules so looking forward to playing with this. Thanks for sharing. Simultaneously I am looking to also

I have been happy with Google's Antigravity harness and Jules so looking forward to playing with this. Thanks for sharing. Simultaneously I am looking to also revisit local offline models. While I feel like I have a decent understanding of the model landscape I'm feeling a bit lost at which agentic harness to leverage for local models. Hermes, Cline, Aider, Qwen Code, Goose, Pi, OpenCode, something else? I live in the terminal so Desktop UX is a bonus but not a must have. Can I modify the antigravity settings/program to point to a local model? Where should I spend my energy?

dosinga 14d ago
goose has now native support for local models
- threecheese 14d ago
  What's going on with Goose? Seems like Block donated it to some consortium; I can't tell if that's a good signal or a bad one. With so many "contenders", if Goose is going into maintenance mode it'd be helpful to know.
- cyanydeez 14d ago
  Its docs have zero support
- deleted 14d ago
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- mmargenot 14d ago
  Did something change with it for depth of integration? Goose has been able to use local models via OpenAI compatible endpoints for at least a year
zdragnar 14d ago
I'm stuck on Windows, so oh-my-pi has been really nice. The others I've tried such as kilo do alright but tool calling can mess up a bit. Only complaint is that connecting the agent harness to my local model took more work getting configured right than I'd like, but that's been true of most harnesses I've tried as well. Most assume you're using a cloud model and local model configuration is a bit of an afterthought.
- williamse 14d ago
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- ngruhn 14d ago
  oh-my-pi has pretty poor permission system in my experience. Either yolo or deny/approve everything. No classifier, no sandbox.
  - Vax- 14d ago
    Everything you want to add can be made as an extension, and pi has many ready extension to be added. For example, Sandbox: `https://github.com/earendil-works/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/gondolin` The sandbox extension is at https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/codi... And the extension at `https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/codi...` Which can also be found under `/@earendil-works/pi-coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin` at the npm modules In case of omp, not sure if it's already at the node module package but you can just grab it from the links I shared and set it up.
    - ngruhn 14d ago
      I tried many of these pi extensions but they have tons of paper cuts. Don't remember which one had which issue but here are some I ran into: * commands run by me (! prefix) are also sandbox blocked * agent has no way to _request_ unsandboxed execution (e.g. if `kubectl whatever` is rejected by the sandbox, the model should have the chance to request permission) * does not understand shell composition patterns (e.g. if `git status` is allowed and `git log` is allowed, then `git status && git log` should be allowed automatically) * sandbox only supported on mac or linux. not both All of that can be fixed by yourself. That's certainly the spirit of pi. But if you want strong defaults and batteries included (like omp promises) then that's just annoying.
  - zdragnar 14d ago
    My workflow is generally like so: - instruct model to write a markdown file with a phased plan to implement whatever feature or change I want - start a new context, instruct model to implement one phase of the file - review changes manually, then start a new context and have it do the next phase - repeat as needed I've never seen omp touch a file outside of the directory I start it up in, and the few times where I've been unhappy with a change git has been there to revert. This could easily be a case of survivor bias but I've not had an issue with letting it go yolo yet.
wyre 14d ago
Since local models are largest constrained by context window you want to have a tiny system prompt. I know Hax: https://github.com/OleksandrChekhovskyi/hax https://github.com/OleksandrChekhovskyi/hax was designed with local models in mind, but I haven't used it.
- khimaros 14d ago
  i built something with a similar philosophy https://github.com/khimaros/hrns https://github.com/khimaros/hrns
NamlchakKhandro 14d ago
pi. Always Pi.
sleepytree 14d ago
What are you using Jules for? I want to like it but it fails too often. If I could use Gemini 3.8 I would be happy but 3.6 rarely succeeds.
jimmydoe 14d ago
Does agy has auto mode?
- chicagobuss 14d ago
  Yes
  - ismaildonmez 14d ago
    This is news to me, do you have a link to docs for the configuration option?
logicchains 14d ago
Deepseek Harness is great, at least with deepseek.
julesrms 14d ago
Give https://juggler.studio https://juggler.studio a shot if you want a nice desktop UX with all the extensibility of things like Pi
- brunoqc 14d ago
  > its core is open source I'm not a fan of open-core apps.
  - julesrms 14d ago
    Hmm, that phrasing is misleading - it's an open-source project: the core is AGPL, the extensions are permissively licensed

dosinga 14d ago

goose has now native support for local models

threecheese 14d ago
What's going on with Goose? Seems like Block donated it to some consortium; I can't tell if that's a good signal or a bad one. With so many "contenders", if Goose is going into maintenance mode it'd be helpful to know.
cyanydeez 14d ago
Its docs have zero support
deleted 14d ago
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mmargenot 14d ago
Did something change with it for depth of integration? Goose has been able to use local models via OpenAI compatible endpoints for at least a year

zdragnar 14d ago

I'm stuck on Windows, so oh-my-pi has been really nice. The others I've tried such as kilo do alright but tool calling can mess up a bit. Only complaint is that connecting the agent harness to my local model took more work getting configured right than I'd like, but that's been true of most harnesses I've tried as well. Most assume you're using a cloud model and local model configuration is a bit of an afterthought.

williamse 14d ago
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ngruhn 14d ago
oh-my-pi has pretty poor permission system in my experience. Either yolo or deny/approve everything. No classifier, no sandbox.
- Vax- 14d ago
  Everything you want to add can be made as an extension, and pi has many ready extension to be added. For example, Sandbox: `https://github.com/earendil-works/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/gondolin` The sandbox extension is at https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/codi... And the extension at `https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin https://github.com/earendil-works/pi/tree/main/packages/codi...` Which can also be found under `/@earendil-works/pi-coding-agent/examples/extensions/gondolin` at the npm modules In case of omp, not sure if it's already at the node module package but you can just grab it from the links I shared and set it up.
  - ngruhn 14d ago
    I tried many of these pi extensions but they have tons of paper cuts. Don't remember which one had which issue but here are some I ran into: * commands run by me (! prefix) are also sandbox blocked * agent has no way to _request_ unsandboxed execution (e.g. if `kubectl whatever` is rejected by the sandbox, the model should have the chance to request permission) * does not understand shell composition patterns (e.g. if `git status` is allowed and `git log` is allowed, then `git status && git log` should be allowed automatically) * sandbox only supported on mac or linux. not both All of that can be fixed by yourself. That's certainly the spirit of pi. But if you want strong defaults and batteries included (like omp promises) then that's just annoying.
- zdragnar 14d ago
  My workflow is generally like so: - instruct model to write a markdown file with a phased plan to implement whatever feature or change I want - start a new context, instruct model to implement one phase of the file - review changes manually, then start a new context and have it do the next phase - repeat as needed I've never seen omp touch a file outside of the directory I start it up in, and the few times where I've been unhappy with a change git has been there to revert. This could easily be a case of survivor bias but I've not had an issue with letting it go yolo yet.

wyre 14d ago

Since local models are largest constrained by context window you want to have a tiny system prompt. I know Hax: https://github.com/OleksandrChekhovskyi/hax https://github.com/OleksandrChekhovskyi/hax was designed with local models in mind, but I haven't used it.

khimaros 14d ago
i built something with a similar philosophy https://github.com/khimaros/hrns https://github.com/khimaros/hrns

NamlchakKhandro 14d ago

pi. Always Pi.

sleepytree 14d ago

What are you using Jules for? I want to like it but it fails too often. If I could use Gemini 3.8 I would be happy but 3.6 rarely succeeds.

jimmydoe 14d ago

Does agy has auto mode?

chicagobuss 14d ago
Yes
- ismaildonmez 14d ago
  This is news to me, do you have a link to docs for the configuration option?

logicchains 14d ago

Deepseek Harness is great, at least with deepseek.

julesrms 14d ago

Give https://juggler.studio https://juggler.studio a shot if you want a nice desktop UX with all the extensibility of things like Pi

brunoqc 14d ago
> its core is open source I'm not a fan of open-core apps.
- julesrms 14d ago
  Hmm, that phrasing is misleading - it's an open-source project: the core is AGPL, the extensions are permissively licensed