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The reality with releases like this is that I'm 90% sure most Google bigwigs have never heard of it, and it's misleading to label it as "Google's" in the title.

by Mond_ 13d ago

The reality with releases like this is that I'm 90% sure most Google bigwigs have never heard of it, and it's misleading to label it as "Google's" in the title. Yes, it was developed by Google employees, that does not imply it has the full backing of Google, or Deepmind, or GCP. Notably, the website doesn't seem to claim this either.

foota 13d ago
This /looks/ at least more official. Most unofficial Google projects have a disclaimer in the repo.
- deleted 13d ago
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Stagnant 13d ago
It is on Google's github https://github.com/google/ax https://github.com/google/ax and the title comes from there.
- yla92 13d ago
  While this one seems like an official Google project, some other projects are not, even if it is on github.com/google A random example E.g https://github.com/google/filament#disclaimer https://github.com/google/filament#disclaimer This is not an officially supported Google product.
  - welhoilija 13d ago
    Does Filament claim that it's Google's in the repo description? It's a valid title.
- Mond_ 13d ago
  Fair enough, I missed that specific line. The point still stands that I wouldn't expect this to have GDM leadership backing. (If you're planning to use this at all, that matters for how much faith you should have in the product.)
- ShinyLeftPad 13d ago
  it's built on top of https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate which is not on Google github.
  - jcw90210 13d ago
    Agent Substrate is being moved to CNCF: https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523 https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523
varun_ch 13d ago
the repo description https://github.com/google/ax https://github.com/google/ax is "Google's open agentic orchestrator"
- verdverm 13d ago
  for comparison/contrast, another very related Google project (one employee) on one of their github orgs that comes with the following disclaimer > This is not an officially supported Google product. This project is not eligible for the Google Open Source Software Vulnerability Rewards Program. https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/scion https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/scion
  - mpeg 13d ago
    The project that ax builds on top of does have that disclaimer, and sits on a non-google organisation https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate
    - ahmedtd 13d ago
      Substrate is in the process of being donated to the CNCF as a vendor-neutral common ground (similar to K8s). (The agent-substrate org is currently Google's, but that will change).
mynegation 13d ago
I have no insider knowledge but https://x.com/rakyll https://x.com/rakyll is working on it and she is tweeting about it and I got the impression there is a quite a team behind it. It looks like an effort in GCP.
- Mond_ 13d ago
  Yes, and one thing to understand about Google is that no AI framework or tool is guaranteed to survive unless it has the explicit backing of Google Deepmind. "Effort in GCP" is a red flag. (See Gemini CLI, which was shut down in favor of Antigravity CLI.)
  - panarky 13d ago
    Antigravity CLI is far, far superior to Gemini CLI. Plant many flowers, keep the ones that bloom and stop watering the ones that don't.
    - Mond_ 13d ago
      I agree on both accounts fwiw.
    - ychnd 13d ago
      It is not, it is intentionally not-interoperable walled garden, unlike Gemini CLI.
    - fg137 13d ago
      Is it superior in terms of license? And anyone who bothers to just do a side-by-side feature comparison can immediately see how many features antigravity is still missing compared to Gemini CLI even today.
esseph 13d ago
>The reality with releases like this is that I'm 90% sure most Google bigwigs have never heard of it Google has around 200,000 employees. They probably haven't heard of most things Google releases.
dudus 13d ago
It's got a formal announcement on the blog. 4 months ago. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/agent-executor-googles-distributed-agent-runtime https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/a...
fg137 13d ago
Yeah, anyone should think of this as an experimental side project that may be forgotten in 15min and make careful decisions about using them in production environments. We have used a few of Google's (smaller) open source projects, and in the last 2-3 years most of them are getting fewer updates if any updates at all. Some became very bad tech debt and we had to spend a lot of time migrating them. Of course, that is the nature of open source projects (written in the license terms), and there is nothing to complain. But it's important to point out these days Google's open source project are not any more trustworthy than a one man's project in terms of support and maintainability. Personally I would stay away from them as far as possible. Especially if you look at what happened to Android, Gemini CLI etc. (To be honest, even if it were officially supported by Google, that barely means anything. https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/)
Havoc 13d ago
Yeah especially with their tendency to depreciate stuff they’ve grown tired of

by Mond_ 13d ago

foota 13d ago

This /looks/ at least more official. Most unofficial Google projects have a disclaimer in the repo.

deleted 13d ago
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Stagnant 13d ago

It is on Google's github https://github.com/google/ax https://github.com/google/ax and the title comes from there.

yla92 13d ago
While this one seems like an official Google project, some other projects are not, even if it is on github.com/google A random example E.g https://github.com/google/filament#disclaimer https://github.com/google/filament#disclaimer This is not an officially supported Google product.
- welhoilija 13d ago
  Does Filament claim that it's Google's in the repo description? It's a valid title.
Mond_ 13d ago
Fair enough, I missed that specific line. The point still stands that I wouldn't expect this to have GDM leadership backing. (If you're planning to use this at all, that matters for how much faith you should have in the product.)
ShinyLeftPad 13d ago
it's built on top of https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate which is not on Google github.
- jcw90210 13d ago
  Agent Substrate is being moved to CNCF: https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523 https://github.com/cncf/sandbox/issues/523

varun_ch 13d ago

the repo description https://github.com/google/ax https://github.com/google/ax is "Google's open agentic orchestrator"

verdverm 13d ago
for comparison/contrast, another very related Google project (one employee) on one of their github orgs that comes with the following disclaimer > This is not an officially supported Google product. This project is not eligible for the Google Open Source Software Vulnerability Rewards Program. https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/scion https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/scion
- mpeg 13d ago
  The project that ax builds on top of does have that disclaimer, and sits on a non-google organisation https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate https://github.com/agent-substrate/substrate
  - ahmedtd 13d ago
    Substrate is in the process of being donated to the CNCF as a vendor-neutral common ground (similar to K8s). (The agent-substrate org is currently Google's, but that will change).

mynegation 13d ago

I have no insider knowledge but https://x.com/rakyll https://x.com/rakyll is working on it and she is tweeting about it and I got the impression there is a quite a team behind it. It looks like an effort in GCP.

Mond_ 13d ago
Yes, and one thing to understand about Google is that no AI framework or tool is guaranteed to survive unless it has the explicit backing of Google Deepmind. "Effort in GCP" is a red flag. (See Gemini CLI, which was shut down in favor of Antigravity CLI.)
- panarky 13d ago
  Antigravity CLI is far, far superior to Gemini CLI. Plant many flowers, keep the ones that bloom and stop watering the ones that don't.
  - Mond_ 13d ago
    I agree on both accounts fwiw.
  - ychnd 13d ago
    It is not, it is intentionally not-interoperable walled garden, unlike Gemini CLI.
  - fg137 13d ago
    Is it superior in terms of license? And anyone who bothers to just do a side-by-side feature comparison can immediately see how many features antigravity is still missing compared to Gemini CLI even today.

esseph 13d ago

>The reality with releases like this is that I'm 90% sure most Google bigwigs have never heard of it Google has around 200,000 employees. They probably haven't heard of most things Google releases.

dudus 13d ago

It's got a formal announcement on the blog. 4 months ago. https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/agent-executor-googles-distributed-agent-runtime https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/ai-machine-learning/a...

fg137 13d ago

Yeah, anyone should think of this as an experimental side project that may be forgotten in 15min and make careful decisions about using them in production environments. We have used a few of Google's (smaller) open source projects, and in the last 2-3 years most of them are getting fewer updates if any updates at all. Some became very bad tech debt and we had to spend a lot of time migrating them. Of course, that is the nature of open source projects (written in the license terms), and there is nothing to complain. But it's important to point out these days Google's open source project are not any more trustworthy than a one man's project in terms of support and maintainability. Personally I would stay away from them as far as possible. Especially if you look at what happened to Android, Gemini CLI etc. (To be honest, even if it were officially supported by Google, that barely means anything. https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://killedbygoogle.com/)

Havoc 13d ago

Yeah especially with their tendency to depreciate stuff they’ve grown tired of