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> Some outcomes can be annoying I'd classify mandatory encryption backdoors as an industry crisis rather than an annoyance.

by fooker 13d ago

dspillett 13d ago
Which has nothing to do with the stalking of the adtech industry, unless you are suggesting that the EU might sell access to the keys to the likes of OpenAI? [though you are not wrong that encryption backdoors are a backwards step on individuals rights to privacy]
- Llamamoe 13d ago
  Encryption backdoors by definition mean everybody who wants it gets hands on your data. You can't make backdoors only the "good guys" can access. And while, sure, adtech corpos maybe won't due to the bad PR, what about the Kremlin, criminal organizations, or your insane abusive ex?
  - Barbing 13d ago
    Rather tragic that less-technical folks in positions of power can find this: > You can't make backdoors only the "good guys" can access. incomprehensible. I’m sure genuinely so, even.
    - Avicebron 13d ago
      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair
  - phatfish 13d ago
    What can the Kremlin do that is worse than the tech bros? Leverage data to deliver people additive divisive content until it all boils over into the "real world" and splits society? Oh wait...
    - bergkvist 13d ago
      Or deciding where to send a drone attack to take out a political opponent
    - StilesCrisis 13d ago
      Pretty sure the Kremlin just murders folks that they have a problem with.
  - djtango 13d ago
    I care a lot less about the KGB knowing the ins and outs of my body than my health insurer...
- bko 13d ago
  It kind of does. It's like "I want an all powerful regulatory agency that can impose rules by dictat, but I only want them to do this things I agree with"
  - pona-a 13d ago
    That's just what a government is. The idea is you elect it democratically and bind it with a constitution.
patrickmcnamara 13d ago
When has the EU mandated encryption backdoors?
- buzer 13d ago
  They keep trying it via e.g. chat control
  - tensor 13d ago
    The US has also tried it multiple times. So has Canada. It's been shut down each time. This isn't a unique to the EU problem.
    - RHSeeger 13d ago
      The fact that other countries have tried to do <bad thing> does not mean it's acceptable for another country to do <bad thing>
      - anigbrowl 13d ago
        So why is the criticism about it disproportionately leveled at one jurisdiction?
        fooker 13d ago
        I am not sure if you replied in good faith, but here you go. The reason is that they have been trying again and again to do this in various forms, slightly modifying tactics so any opposition to it has to start from scratch. 2015 - https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/29/encryption-rhetoric-untangled/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/29/encryption-rhetoric-untang... 2016 - https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/encryption-under-fire-in-europe-as-france-and-germany-call-for-decrypt-law/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/encryption-under-fire-in-e... 2017 - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/19/eu-outlaw-backdoors-new-data-privacy-proposals-uk-government-encrypted-communications-whatsapp https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/19/eu-outlaw... 2020 - https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/12/14/encryption-council-adopts-resolution-on-security-through-encryption-and-security-despite-encryption/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020... 2021 - https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/04/29/combating-child-abuse-online-informal-deal-with-european-parliament-on-temporary-rules/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021... 2023 - https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-document-csa-law/ https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d... 2025 - https://www.techspot.com/news/107408-europe-proposes-backdoors-encrypted-platforms-under-new-security.html https://www.techspot.com/news/107408-europe-proposes-backdoo... 2026 - https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-passed-the-european-parliament-through-the-back-door https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-pas...

> Some outcomes can be annoying I'd classify mandatory encryption backdoors as an industry crisis rather than an annoyance.

by fooker 13d ago

> Some outcomes can be annoying I'd classify mandatory encryption backdoors as an industry crisis rather than an annoyance.

dspillett 13d ago

Which has nothing to do with the stalking of the adtech industry, unless you are suggesting that the EU might sell access to the keys to the likes of OpenAI? [though you are not wrong that encryption backdoors are a backwards step on individuals rights to privacy]

Llamamoe 13d ago
Encryption backdoors by definition mean everybody who wants it gets hands on your data. You can't make backdoors only the "good guys" can access. And while, sure, adtech corpos maybe won't due to the bad PR, what about the Kremlin, criminal organizations, or your insane abusive ex?
- Barbing 13d ago
  Rather tragic that less-technical folks in positions of power can find this: > You can't make backdoors only the "good guys" can access. incomprehensible. I’m sure genuinely so, even.
  - Avicebron 13d ago
    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it." -Upton Sinclair
- phatfish 13d ago
  What can the Kremlin do that is worse than the tech bros? Leverage data to deliver people additive divisive content until it all boils over into the "real world" and splits society? Oh wait...
  - bergkvist 13d ago
    Or deciding where to send a drone attack to take out a political opponent
  - StilesCrisis 13d ago
    Pretty sure the Kremlin just murders folks that they have a problem with.
- djtango 13d ago
  I care a lot less about the KGB knowing the ins and outs of my body than my health insurer...
bko 13d ago
It kind of does. It's like "I want an all powerful regulatory agency that can impose rules by dictat, but I only want them to do this things I agree with"
- pona-a 13d ago
  That's just what a government is. The idea is you elect it democratically and bind it with a constitution.

patrickmcnamara 13d ago

When has the EU mandated encryption backdoors?

buzer 13d ago
They keep trying it via e.g. chat control
- tensor 13d ago
  The US has also tried it multiple times. So has Canada. It's been shut down each time. This isn't a unique to the EU problem.
  - RHSeeger 13d ago
    The fact that other countries have tried to do <bad thing> does not mean it's acceptable for another country to do <bad thing>
    - anigbrowl 13d ago
      So why is the criticism about it disproportionately leveled at one jurisdiction?
      - fooker 13d ago
        I am not sure if you replied in good faith, but here you go. The reason is that they have been trying again and again to do this in various forms, slightly modifying tactics so any opposition to it has to start from scratch. 2015 - https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/29/encryption-rhetoric-untangled/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/10/29/encryption-rhetoric-untang... 2016 - https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/encryption-under-fire-in-europe-as-france-and-germany-call-for-decrypt-law/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/24/encryption-under-fire-in-e... 2017 - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/19/eu-outlaw-backdoors-new-data-privacy-proposals-uk-government-encrypted-communications-whatsapp https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/19/eu-outlaw... 2020 - https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/12/14/encryption-council-adopts-resolution-on-security-through-encryption-and-security-despite-encryption/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020... 2021 - https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021/04/29/combating-child-abuse-online-informal-deal-with-european-parliament-on-temporary-rules/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2021... 2023 - https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-document-csa-law/ https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d... 2025 - https://www.techspot.com/news/107408-europe-proposes-backdoors-encrypted-platforms-under-new-security.html https://www.techspot.com/news/107408-europe-proposes-backdoo... 2026 - https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-passed-the-european-parliament-through-the-back-door https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-pas...