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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_background_check#States_with_universal_background_check_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_background_check#St

by yandie 11d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_background_check#States_with_universal_background_check_laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_background_check#Sta... 22 states only - are you sure that “most states” have blocked this?

frumplestlatz 11d ago
That counts as many states, and most of the "anti-gun" states, which is what the parent actually said. Personally, I think people should be as free as possible to sell goods privately without the government getting involved. It's not a loophole, it's how things should work. If you think any of these laws prevent felons and other prohibited persons from getting guns, you must be remarkably unfamiliar with felons, and their willingness to commit felonies. Most felons I know through friends/family have a gun (often stored somewhere plausibly deniable), and it's not a particular secret. These laws primarily harm law-abiding citizens — who were never the problem in the first place — far more than they restrict prohibited persons from acquiring guns. The same thing will occur with restrictions on open models, but arguably the results are far more harmful — limiting the technological and economic capacity of the people and countries we have to worry about the least, leaving the playing field open for those we have to worry about the most.
- marcus_holmes 11d ago
  You appear to have a fascinating mental model where the world is divided into "felons" and "law-abiding citizens".
  - frumplestlatz 10d ago
    “If you think any of these laws prevent felons and other prohibited persons …” The three major categories of prohibited persons are felons, domestic abusers, and habitual drug users. Guess what all three have in common?
    - marcus_holmes 10d ago
      They're mostly male?
      - frumplestlatz 10d ago
        They've demonstrated comfort with and a capacity for ignoring the law.

by yandie 11d ago

frumplestlatz 11d ago

That counts as many states, and most of the "anti-gun" states, which is what the parent actually said. Personally, I think people should be as free as possible to sell goods privately without the government getting involved. It's not a loophole, it's how things should work. If you think any of these laws prevent felons and other prohibited persons from getting guns, you must be remarkably unfamiliar with felons, and their willingness to commit felonies. Most felons I know through friends/family have a gun (often stored somewhere plausibly deniable), and it's not a particular secret. These laws primarily harm law-abiding citizens — who were never the problem in the first place — far more than they restrict prohibited persons from acquiring guns. The same thing will occur with restrictions on open models, but arguably the results are far more harmful — limiting the technological and economic capacity of the people and countries we have to worry about the least, leaving the playing field open for those we have to worry about the most.

marcus_holmes 11d ago
You appear to have a fascinating mental model where the world is divided into "felons" and "law-abiding citizens".
- frumplestlatz 10d ago
  “If you think any of these laws prevent felons and other prohibited persons …” The three major categories of prohibited persons are felons, domestic abusers, and habitual drug users. Guess what all three have in common?
  - marcus_holmes 10d ago
    They're mostly male?
    - frumplestlatz 10d ago
      They've demonstrated comfort with and a capacity for ignoring the law.