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Unfortunately the selection effect here means that the remaining employees are gonna be super committed to thinking Flock is a good thing for the world, and wil

Unfortunately the selection effect here means that the remaining employees are gonna be super committed to thinking Flock is a good thing for the world, and will double-down on being defensive and angry any time Flock is challenged.

krupan 6d ago
Thankfully they will be greatly outnumbered among general society. Most humans are good people.
- ticulatedspline 6d ago
  It doesn't take a lot of bad people to subjugate a lot of good people.
- charcircuit 6d ago
  People defending society from criminals are good people too. It's the literal definition of "good guys."
  - preg_match 6d ago
    Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything, it’s just surveillance technology. The defending is done by other people, who may or may not use the surveillance for good. Historically, surveillance is used for good and evil. Certainly, Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time. Their surveillance was pretty primitive by modern standards, and they still managed to track, identify, and execute millions of Jewish people. Ultimately, we have to take a step back and analyze if our incentives and systems are designed such that surveillance is used for good, and evil use is deterred. And, regardless of political affiliation, the answer to that analysis should be a resounding no. Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable? When surveillance is misused, does anyone even know, let alone prosecute? How difficult is it to misuse surveillance? How much transparency is built-in to how the surveillance is used? These are the questions we should be asking.
    - charcircuit 6d ago
      >Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything Flock has caught criminals and has prevented further crimes from happening. This is something that cannot be denied. The existence of Flock has defended people, and it has provided value to society. Saying that Flock is a just technology company and police officers are just humans. That trivializes what these entities are doing in society. >Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time. Or they could have more efficiently got the Jews out of the Germany before things got to the point where things got more extreme. This could have resulted in fewer Jews dying. >Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable? I think AI will be a major boon to being able to audit such queries for irregularities. The fact you can have a relatively impartial system able to highlight things makes it harder to cover up things.
- loeg 6d ago
  It's wild that you think good people can't support enforcing laws.
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- 468854259853 6d ago
  Are you a good person?
  - tarpitt 6d ago
    good enough

krupan 6d ago

Thankfully they will be greatly outnumbered among general society. Most humans are good people.

ticulatedspline 6d ago
It doesn't take a lot of bad people to subjugate a lot of good people.
charcircuit 6d ago
People defending society from criminals are good people too. It's the literal definition of "good guys."
- preg_match 6d ago
  Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything, it’s just surveillance technology. The defending is done by other people, who may or may not use the surveillance for good. Historically, surveillance is used for good and evil. Certainly, Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time. Their surveillance was pretty primitive by modern standards, and they still managed to track, identify, and execute millions of Jewish people. Ultimately, we have to take a step back and analyze if our incentives and systems are designed such that surveillance is used for good, and evil use is deterred. And, regardless of political affiliation, the answer to that analysis should be a resounding no. Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable? When surveillance is misused, does anyone even know, let alone prosecute? How difficult is it to misuse surveillance? How much transparency is built-in to how the surveillance is used? These are the questions we should be asking.
  - charcircuit 6d ago
    >Flock doesn’t defend anyone from anything Flock has caught criminals and has prevented further crimes from happening. This is something that cannot be denied. The existence of Flock has defended people, and it has provided value to society. Saying that Flock is a just technology company and police officers are just humans. That trivializes what these entities are doing in society. >Nazi Germany would have killed many more Jews if flock had existed during that time. Or they could have more efficiently got the Jews out of the Germany before things got to the point where things got more extreme. This could have resulted in fewer Jews dying. >Do we keep our officials and law enforcement officers accountable? I think AI will be a major boon to being able to audit such queries for irregularities. The fact you can have a relatively impartial system able to highlight things makes it harder to cover up things.
loeg 6d ago
It's wild that you think good people can't support enforcing laws.
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468854259853 6d ago
Are you a good person?
- tarpitt 6d ago
  good enough