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So basically the same kind of tracking that Facebook, Google, etc have been doing for decades?

emptybits 6d ago
Similar, yes, but some people are paying OpenAI to be part of this business model, unlike typical free-riding Google and Facebook users.
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- troupo 6d ago
  Derogatory "Free-riding users". "Free riding users" should have the same privacy as the paying ones.
  - rangestransform 6d ago
    Will the government pay OpenAI to run an ad-free free tier?
    - upboundspiral 6d ago
      The government could pass laws that prevent advertising becoming mass surveillance and stalking.
    - troupo 6d ago
      Ads don't require pervasive and invasive tracking, and surveillance that Stasi would have wet dreams about.
  - what 6d ago
    Kind of silly. You have to pay somehow. Either pony up cash or pay with your eyeballs or data. But I doubt paying will give you privacy either.
    - pona-a 6d ago
      I think few will argue it's ethically or legally fine for my website to pay by installing a keylogger through a zero-click Chromium RCE, burying it in the EULA.
    - troupo 5d ago
      Ads don't require pervasive and invasive tracking, and surveillance that Stasi would have wet dreams about.
- theptip 6d ago
  If you pay OpenAI full price, this machinery should never be used. The only paying customers getting ads are the “ad supported” tier. I think you can easily imagine a future where the subscription model token subsidy ramps down and is replaced by ads, but it’s important to use precise language about the current state of the world.
  - emptybits 6d ago
    Yes, “Go” plan users pay and also receive ads. They pay less.
gentlewater 6d ago
Which has really only been accepted because 99% of people don’t understand how it works. Hard to be outraged by something you can’t see or understand. In my book, the practice is akin to malware. I recently opened a website for an AI service in incognito mode, because I didn’t care to have it in my search results. Despite avoiding third party cookies here, the site still fired off a tracker to Meta, who then correlated my home IP address with my Facebook account, and filled my feed with ads for this AI service. When I was tracked like this despite a somewhat informed defense, which defense do normal people have against this? None.
latexr 6d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism The fact that others do the same doesn’t make any of the cases excusable.
rvz 6d ago
Yes. But there is no surprise given that OpenAI hired lots of ex-Meta and Google employees for that reason.
jhhh 6d ago
Yes, the thing that many people do not like is now being done by yet another company.

Similar, yes, but some people are paying OpenAI to be part of this business model, unlike typical free-riding Google and Facebook users.

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troupo 6d ago
Derogatory "Free-riding users". "Free riding users" should have the same privacy as the paying ones.
- rangestransform 6d ago
  Will the government pay OpenAI to run an ad-free free tier?
  - upboundspiral 6d ago
    The government could pass laws that prevent advertising becoming mass surveillance and stalking.
  - troupo 6d ago
    Ads don't require pervasive and invasive tracking, and surveillance that Stasi would have wet dreams about.
- what 6d ago
  Kind of silly. You have to pay somehow. Either pony up cash or pay with your eyeballs or data. But I doubt paying will give you privacy either.
  - pona-a 6d ago
    I think few will argue it's ethically or legally fine for my website to pay by installing a keylogger through a zero-click Chromium RCE, burying it in the EULA.
  - troupo 5d ago
    Ads don't require pervasive and invasive tracking, and surveillance that Stasi would have wet dreams about.
theptip 6d ago
If you pay OpenAI full price, this machinery should never be used. The only paying customers getting ads are the “ad supported” tier. I think you can easily imagine a future where the subscription model token subsidy ramps down and is replaced by ads, but it’s important to use precise language about the current state of the world.
- emptybits 6d ago
  Yes, “Go” plan users pay and also receive ads. They pay less.

gentlewater 6d ago

Which has really only been accepted because 99% of people don’t understand how it works. Hard to be outraged by something you can’t see or understand. In my book, the practice is akin to malware. I recently opened a website for an AI service in incognito mode, because I didn’t care to have it in my search results. Despite avoiding third party cookies here, the site still fired off a tracker to Meta, who then correlated my home IP address with my Facebook account, and filled my feed with ads for this AI service. When I was tracked like this despite a somewhat informed defense, which defense do normal people have against this? None.

latexr 6d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism The fact that others do the same doesn’t make any of the cases excusable.

rvz 6d ago

Yes. But there is no surprise given that OpenAI hired lots of ex-Meta and Google employees for that reason.

jhhh 6d ago

Yes, the thing that many people do not like is now being done by yet another company.