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How does it compare to the Samsung flagship phone cameras? I have to say I was impressed by the Samsung cameras, although being Android based it's not really an

by sgt 6d ago

How does it compare to the Samsung flagship phone cameras? I have to say I was impressed by the Samsung cameras, although being Android based it's not really an option for me. It'd be like trading a Porsche 911 for a Pontiac Aztec.

loloquwowndueo 6d ago
That’s harsh - the Aztek was not that bad …
- onionisafruit 6d ago
  Like trading something flashy, fast and impractical for something ugly and practical (idk if Azteks were fast but I suspect not notably so). I don’t know if it works for the camera phone comparison.
  - loloquwowndueo 6d ago
    I drove an Aztek once and it felt fast enough for regular city driving. Why anyone would _need_ a faster car is beyond me.
heaney-555 6d ago
https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera
mikae1 6d ago
> although being Android based it's not really an option for me. It'd be like trading a Porsche 911 for a Pontiac Aztec. I use GrapheneOS for my own phone and have always been forced into iPhones at work. iOS, after 12 years of use, is still so terrible that I can't just get over it. I open my MacBook and will do whatever needs to be done from there. I should probably get an iPhone for private use too though. It would surely stop me from being on my phone more than I'd like to.
- nxc18 5d ago
  Android doesn’t have a single decent calendar app. The apps that do exist and are cross platform are _almost always_ a worse version of the iOS app. I tried making the switch to Graphene and even after giving in and using the Play store to find apps, it was just impossible. The launchers were fine, but the app experience being abysmal just made Android a non-starter. I don’t understand how people don’t see this. RCS didn’t even work as well as it does on iPhone. And this isn’t a walled garden comparison - I don’t use iCloud or any Apple services aside from iMessage (for people who don’t have signal). Try using a self-hosted calendar on Android - absolutely impossible if you have any expectation of it being usable. And no, an unreliable third party app that promises to sync in the background does not count, mostly because it doesn’t work well. iCalendar works. You should not need to buy Business Calendar 2 to get a worse version of what iPhone users get for free. There are a half dozen apps at least I could tell a similar story about.
  - jeroenhd 5d ago
    I disagree strongly with "iCalendar works". Basic sync to Google Calendar causes weird artefacts and notifications (like getting event invites for events that are already accepted). I also strongly dislike the iOS Calendar UI, though that's possibly also because of iOS itself being rather unintuitive. Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear. In my opinion Google Calendar, even on iOS, is much better. More reliable on iOS too, but Google's app syncing better with Google's servers isn't really a good comparison. I have no problem syncing with DAVx5 across various iCal sources on my phone. iOS seems pretty funky about its protocol requirements (and if it fails to understand the protocol, it's hard to tell why it failed). Apple practically invented the protocol, they should offer some kind of explanation of why it's not working. That said, I do think Google should invest more into getting third party calendar support into their GCalendar apps. I don't want to need a third party app even if the app works fine, it should be part of the standard calendar app.
    - nxc18 5d ago
      The nice thing about calendar app is it uses a system-wide database that other apps can use. So my TickTick app can show my self-hosted Synology calendar events alongside my work Outlook calendar events, and TickTick doesn’t have to do anything special. Android has a similar system but the integration is far less consistent and Google Calendar (the only calendar app approaching decent) doesn’t play nice with it. The big differentiator is speed of input. On iOS I can drag and drop to move, and also to adjust the start and end time of events, all without clicking into every event. This is huge if you time block your day. It was insane to me that Android just couldn’t support this workflow without being brutally, painfully slow. > Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear. It’s just a toolbar with a transparent background. I don’t see how that causes confusion. It’s not like they move around or something. And this pattern is used in basically all apps. Not nearly as bad an abomination as the FAB, IMO.
well_ackshually 6d ago
Always being five years behind everyone and doing its own boneheaded decisions that they inevitably have to walk back does tend to make Apple the Aztec in this case. Mockery aside: it's all the same. They're all good enough for portraits where all you want is some depth of field & contrast, they're all good enough for landscapes where they capture colors pretty well, and they're all catastrophic past 5x zoom. You can take the top 10 of DXOMark (hell, the top 20) and you won't realistically find a difference unless you're pixel peeping. Which, we all know your phone pictures are just being sent compressed over Whatsapp, it doesn't matter. If you want camera quality pictures, get a camera. Even a 15 year old shitty Canon will take better pictures than the 18 Pro.
epolanski 6d ago
I can understand you disliking an OS or vendor after getting used to another one, but there's no 911-Aztec comparison that makes sense here. You're confusing a personal preference for a fact.

by sgt 6d ago

loloquwowndueo 6d ago

That’s harsh - the Aztek was not that bad …

onionisafruit 6d ago
Like trading something flashy, fast and impractical for something ugly and practical (idk if Azteks were fast but I suspect not notably so). I don’t know if it works for the camera phone comparison.
- loloquwowndueo 6d ago
  I drove an Aztek once and it felt fast enough for regular city driving. Why anyone would _need_ a faster car is beyond me.

heaney-555 6d ago

https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/#sort-camera

mikae1 6d ago

> although being Android based it's not really an option for me. It'd be like trading a Porsche 911 for a Pontiac Aztec. I use GrapheneOS for my own phone and have always been forced into iPhones at work. iOS, after 12 years of use, is still so terrible that I can't just get over it. I open my MacBook and will do whatever needs to be done from there. I should probably get an iPhone for private use too though. It would surely stop me from being on my phone more than I'd like to.

nxc18 5d ago
Android doesn’t have a single decent calendar app. The apps that do exist and are cross platform are _almost always_ a worse version of the iOS app. I tried making the switch to Graphene and even after giving in and using the Play store to find apps, it was just impossible. The launchers were fine, but the app experience being abysmal just made Android a non-starter. I don’t understand how people don’t see this. RCS didn’t even work as well as it does on iPhone. And this isn’t a walled garden comparison - I don’t use iCloud or any Apple services aside from iMessage (for people who don’t have signal). Try using a self-hosted calendar on Android - absolutely impossible if you have any expectation of it being usable. And no, an unreliable third party app that promises to sync in the background does not count, mostly because it doesn’t work well. iCalendar works. You should not need to buy Business Calendar 2 to get a worse version of what iPhone users get for free. There are a half dozen apps at least I could tell a similar story about.
- jeroenhd 5d ago
  I disagree strongly with "iCalendar works". Basic sync to Google Calendar causes weird artefacts and notifications (like getting event invites for events that are already accepted). I also strongly dislike the iOS Calendar UI, though that's possibly also because of iOS itself being rather unintuitive. Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear. In my opinion Google Calendar, even on iOS, is much better. More reliable on iOS too, but Google's app syncing better with Google's servers isn't really a good comparison. I have no problem syncing with DAVx5 across various iCal sources on my phone. iOS seems pretty funky about its protocol requirements (and if it fails to understand the protocol, it's hard to tell why it failed). Apple practically invented the protocol, they should offer some kind of explanation of why it's not working. That said, I do think Google should invest more into getting third party calendar support into their GCalendar apps. I don't want to need a third party app even if the app works fine, it should be part of the standard calendar app.
  - nxc18 5d ago
    The nice thing about calendar app is it uses a system-wide database that other apps can use. So my TickTick app can show my self-hosted Synology calendar events alongside my work Outlook calendar events, and TickTick doesn’t have to do anything special. Android has a similar system but the integration is far less consistent and Google Calendar (the only calendar app approaching decent) doesn’t play nice with it. The big differentiator is speed of input. On iOS I can drag and drop to move, and also to adjust the start and end time of events, all without clicking into every event. This is huge if you time block your day. It was insane to me that Android just couldn’t support this workflow without being brutally, painfully slow. > Floating buttons in four corners of the screen just isn't very clear. It’s just a toolbar with a transparent background. I don’t see how that causes confusion. It’s not like they move around or something. And this pattern is used in basically all apps. Not nearly as bad an abomination as the FAB, IMO.

well_ackshually 6d ago

Always being five years behind everyone and doing its own boneheaded decisions that they inevitably have to walk back does tend to make Apple the Aztec in this case. Mockery aside: it's all the same. They're all good enough for portraits where all you want is some depth of field & contrast, they're all good enough for landscapes where they capture colors pretty well, and they're all catastrophic past 5x zoom. You can take the top 10 of DXOMark (hell, the top 20) and you won't realistically find a difference unless you're pixel peeping. Which, we all know your phone pictures are just being sent compressed over Whatsapp, it doesn't matter. If you want camera quality pictures, get a camera. Even a 15 year old shitty Canon will take better pictures than the 18 Pro.

epolanski 6d ago

I can understand you disliking an OS or vendor after getting used to another one, but there's no 911-Aztec comparison that makes sense here. You're confusing a personal preference for a fact.