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> As a native speaker of a language with genders, it's not complex Said every native speaker I suppose.

by srean 13d ago

my-huge-pony 13d ago
Why abridge (and misrepresent) my quote? >it's not complex if you're a native speaker Of course this is very complex and not intuitive if you're a language learner. My point was that while there are parts of grammar that native speakers struggle with, and kids drill them for good grades in school, this is not one of that parts. And my broader point was that "needlessly pointless part of the language" is subjective and something language users should judge.
- srean 13d ago
  Oh it seems you took it personally, whereas I mentioned "every native speaker". My intention was not to rule you, just to underscore the point that native speakers have it easier and may not be able to experience or understand the difficulties of a non-native speaker.
  - Aachen 13d ago
    I didn't read it as something being taken personally, just as a clarification. A misquote is a misquote no matter whose it was > My intention was [...] just to underscore the point that native speakers have it easier and may not be able to experience or understand the difficulties of a non-native speaker. Fwiw, that was not at all clear to me from a sarcastic few words
    - srean 13d ago
      No sarcasm intended, I was being literal. Me and my wife have different mother tongues. What's natural to her isn't to me and vice versa and we keep telling each other that it's easy.
      - Aachen 13d ago
        Huh, I'm in the same situation but not sure I've ever considered an aspect of my language easy just because I speak it, and my partner's country is known for saying "deutsche sprache, schwere sprache" (german language, difficult language) so the entire country seems to realise it. I'll poke fun at "we only have like half the genders you do" but it's always clearly in jest; from learning a language as an adult myself the difficulty is very clear. Interesting to hear the different perspective
  - srean 13d ago
    s/rule/rile/g

> As a native speaker of a language with genders, it's not complex Said every native speaker I suppose.

by srean 13d ago

> As a native speaker of a language with genders, it's not complex Said every native speaker I suppose.

Why abridge (and misrepresent) my quote? >it's not complex if you're a native speaker Of course this is very complex and not intuitive if you're a language learner. My point was that while there are parts of grammar that native speakers struggle with, and kids drill them for good grades in school, this is not one of that parts. And my broader point was that "needlessly pointless part of the language" is subjective and something language users should judge.

srean 13d ago
Oh it seems you took it personally, whereas I mentioned "every native speaker". My intention was not to rule you, just to underscore the point that native speakers have it easier and may not be able to experience or understand the difficulties of a non-native speaker.
- Aachen 13d ago
  I didn't read it as something being taken personally, just as a clarification. A misquote is a misquote no matter whose it was > My intention was [...] just to underscore the point that native speakers have it easier and may not be able to experience or understand the difficulties of a non-native speaker. Fwiw, that was not at all clear to me from a sarcastic few words
  - srean 13d ago
    No sarcasm intended, I was being literal. Me and my wife have different mother tongues. What's natural to her isn't to me and vice versa and we keep telling each other that it's easy.
    - Aachen 13d ago
      Huh, I'm in the same situation but not sure I've ever considered an aspect of my language easy just because I speak it, and my partner's country is known for saying "deutsche sprache, schwere sprache" (german language, difficult language) so the entire country seems to realise it. I'll poke fun at "we only have like half the genders you do" but it's always clearly in jest; from learning a language as an adult myself the difficulty is very clear. Interesting to hear the different perspective
- srean 13d ago
  s/rule/rile/g