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Nobody asked me the two later questions. The one about problems with coworkers would have been a lot of fun. I have plenty of juicy anecdotes. I have an object

by narag 14y ago

Nobody asked me the two later questions. The one about problems with coworkers would have been a lot of fun. I have plenty of juicy anecdotes. I have an objection to The hiring manager doesn't need you to walk him through your resume chronologically—he can read what's on the page, after all. Most interviewers I've met actually have not read the cv further than the absolute minimum to match keywords, and are not interested in reading the printed cv, that appears to be a write-only piece of paper... they take notes on it. The interviewers who did read the CV beforehand are also the ones that direct the conversation themselves and always ask in chronological order anyway. It seems that they do that because they're seeking to make up a narrative, a logical evolution of the career, so Ramit's advice stands after all.

jakejake 14y ago
I do agree with you that interviewers haven't always read your resume - especially when they are a developer who just got called away from their desk to "meet you" to see if they would like to spend their days sitting next to you I think perhaps the author is suggesting that you don't just regurgitate exactly what is written on your résumé, but rather embellish and highlight the relevant experience from each job that makes you a great candidate. I think it would be ok to go a little more chronological and not so much of a sales pitch like the author wrote.
mgkimsal 14y ago
"I have an objection to The hiring manager doesn't need you to walk him through your resume chronologically—he can read what's on the page, after all. Most interviewers I've met actually have not read the cv further than the absolute minimum to match keywords, and are not interested in reading the printed cv, that appears to be a write-only piece of paper... they take notes on it." --------- I think in at least some cases it serves two purposes: 1. Does your recollection actually match up with what they have in front of them? Going through agencies you'll have your resume altered without your knowledge. 2. Can you present written information in a compelling (or at least accurate) way verbally?
- narag 14y ago
  I'm sorry for the delay, I was moving. What you and jakejake say is right what good interviewers do, the ones that I said that direct the conversation themselves and expect me to be articulate and consistent. The sad truth though is that many others don't have the time or don't give a f#~%. It shows through many details. I don't know why. Maybe it's because they already have a candidate that they think fits the best, and are only trying to present the customer worse options to make the one shine. Or maybe they're underpaid, go figure. There is a certain rules I've inferred from many interviews: if I reach the technical interview, I'm in. If the HR person is the motivated, organized kind, I will reach the technical interview (so I'm in) unless I ask for 5k€ more than what the inteded to pay, 3k€ more is OK. If the HR person is lazy or clueless, I could just walk away. I don't just in case, but I've never seen nothing good coming from this kind of people. About agencies changing cv, I'm afraid it's not the case. I have the cv uploaded in the jobs site so they could just download it when they receive the application (I know because I've been at the other side of the table and used the same site). They don't. The first thing they ask when they contact me is to send them the very same cv by email.

by narag 14y ago

jakejake 14y ago

I do agree with you that interviewers haven't always read your resume - especially when they are a developer who just got called away from their desk to "meet you" to see if they would like to spend their days sitting next to you I think perhaps the author is suggesting that you don't just regurgitate exactly what is written on your résumé, but rather embellish and highlight the relevant experience from each job that makes you a great candidate. I think it would be ok to go a little more chronological and not so much of a sales pitch like the author wrote.

mgkimsal 14y ago

"I have an objection to The hiring manager doesn't need you to walk him through your resume chronologically—he can read what's on the page, after all. Most interviewers I've met actually have not read the cv further than the absolute minimum to match keywords, and are not interested in reading the printed cv, that appears to be a write-only piece of paper... they take notes on it." --------- I think in at least some cases it serves two purposes: 1. Does your recollection actually match up with what they have in front of them? Going through agencies you'll have your resume altered without your knowledge. 2. Can you present written information in a compelling (or at least accurate) way verbally?

narag 14y ago
I'm sorry for the delay, I was moving. What you and jakejake say is right what good interviewers do, the ones that I said that direct the conversation themselves and expect me to be articulate and consistent. The sad truth though is that many others don't have the time or don't give a f#~%. It shows through many details. I don't know why. Maybe it's because they already have a candidate that they think fits the best, and are only trying to present the customer worse options to make the one shine. Or maybe they're underpaid, go figure. There is a certain rules I've inferred from many interviews: if I reach the technical interview, I'm in. If the HR person is the motivated, organized kind, I will reach the technical interview (so I'm in) unless I ask for 5k€ more than what the inteded to pay, 3k€ more is OK. If the HR person is lazy or clueless, I could just walk away. I don't just in case, but I've never seen nothing good coming from this kind of people. About agencies changing cv, I'm afraid it's not the case. I have the cv uploaded in the jobs site so they could just download it when they receive the application (I know because I've been at the other side of the table and used the same site). They don't. The first thing they ask when they contact me is to send them the very same cv by email.