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One of the important overlooked aspects of this is how maltreatment of something that appears to be human-like in many ways by an actual human affects the perso

One of the important overlooked aspects of this is how maltreatment of something that appears to be human-like in many ways by an actual human affects the person doing it. I know this did not end up being applicable in the video game world (which I'm continually glad for). With LLMs, it feels more likely it would be.

cindyllm 13d ago
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jonhohle 13d ago
We’ve had 30 years of people killing digital people, often controlled by actual people without any obvious impact on violent tendencies. I’m concerned about campaigns by misguided people to “protect” the bots. Seeing the response to the Unitree bots on AGT and their behavior’s effect on my own emotional response, I wonder how far off we are from calls for robot rights. We are more than tool-using apes, but for those that think that’s all we are, what’s the difference between that and tool using bots that emote, mimic distress, and otherwise act autonomously.
- pixl97 12d ago
  This is one of those things that really does need checked up on occasionally. For example, do video games not cause violence because of something like being on the wrong side of the uncanny valley. We know it's fake therefore its fake. Do does this break down when it gets "too real". For example lets imagine a future VR video game that the inside game doesn't feel much different from the world we live in? Lets also imagine an interesting unique constraint in this video game. If you die in it you cannot play it any more. You play it for years safely and make romantic connections in it. One day someone kills your partner violently in front of you. You'd be pretty willing to take up violence against said person, right? How much of that violence would carry out of the game? I don't want to make proclamations like the video game violence people did that were not correct, but I also don't want to assume as we make our simulacra more like us that it won't affect us somehow. Situations like this are rarely binary, and it's best to keep an eye on it. Lastly, because LLMs can and do effect the real world with their actions, it's likely a good idea to error to the side of caution and at least be polite.

cindyllm 13d ago

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jonhohle 13d ago

We’ve had 30 years of people killing digital people, often controlled by actual people without any obvious impact on violent tendencies. I’m concerned about campaigns by misguided people to “protect” the bots. Seeing the response to the Unitree bots on AGT and their behavior’s effect on my own emotional response, I wonder how far off we are from calls for robot rights. We are more than tool-using apes, but for those that think that’s all we are, what’s the difference between that and tool using bots that emote, mimic distress, and otherwise act autonomously.

pixl97 12d ago
This is one of those things that really does need checked up on occasionally. For example, do video games not cause violence because of something like being on the wrong side of the uncanny valley. We know it's fake therefore its fake. Do does this break down when it gets "too real". For example lets imagine a future VR video game that the inside game doesn't feel much different from the world we live in? Lets also imagine an interesting unique constraint in this video game. If you die in it you cannot play it any more. You play it for years safely and make romantic connections in it. One day someone kills your partner violently in front of you. You'd be pretty willing to take up violence against said person, right? How much of that violence would carry out of the game? I don't want to make proclamations like the video game violence people did that were not correct, but I also don't want to assume as we make our simulacra more like us that it won't affect us somehow. Situations like this are rarely binary, and it's best to keep an eye on it. Lastly, because LLMs can and do effect the real world with their actions, it's likely a good idea to error to the side of caution and at least be polite.