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This is a welcome development. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Archive.today_guidan...

sunaookami 13d ago
That's not a reason to censor it at the state level.
- cluckindan 13d ago
  Why not?
  - mitxela 13d ago
    Why is it? You don't get to censor important sources of information and then literally just cite "why not?" as the reason.
    - ctenb 13d ago
      The linked wiki page lists the reasons. You can't just say these are not good reasons without saying why
      - mitxela 13d ago
        Which one of them justifies the government putting you in prison for accessing the information?
        iamnothere 13d ago
        “Protecting democracy” or something Orwellian like that
        mitxela 13d ago
        archive.is protects democracy and that's why it must be illegal to access?
        iamnothere 13d ago
        I mean that’s probably what they believe, the idea is to shape favored outcomes by denying their voters access to information.
        MC995 12d ago
        Unironically, yes.
  - trashb 12d ago
    Censorship is bad, also it is always slippery slope. Additionally it is against Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the UN. And Article 20 of the Spanish Constitution.
- gpm 12d ago
  > including the site using editors' and readers' computers to run a denial-of-service attack This seems like sufficient justification not only to censor it at a state level, but to criminally prosecute any individual who visits the site after finding out about it - and thus knowingly joins in DDOS attacks.
SSLy 13d ago
I understand it to be a stand off between western special services on behalf of the media empires, and some random russian… criminals? their own intelligence or adjacent criminals? Just randos on a mission?
- TitaRusell 13d ago
  Russia doesn't produce content that anyone wants to pay for. So piracy is no economic loss for Putin. Secondly Russia's economy is going down the drain and the population definitely needs distraction from the war. Bread and circuses.
  - eyya 12d ago
    Russia exports a huge amount of content (from cartoons to AI), which is why it did not withdraw from copyright treaties in 2022, as Belarus did

sunaookami 13d ago

That's not a reason to censor it at the state level.

cluckindan 13d ago
Why not?
- mitxela 13d ago
  Why is it? You don't get to censor important sources of information and then literally just cite "why not?" as the reason.
  - ctenb 13d ago
    The linked wiki page lists the reasons. You can't just say these are not good reasons without saying why
    - mitxela 13d ago
      Which one of them justifies the government putting you in prison for accessing the information?
      - iamnothere 13d ago
        “Protecting democracy” or something Orwellian like that
        mitxela 13d ago
        archive.is protects democracy and that's why it must be illegal to access?
        iamnothere 13d ago
        I mean that’s probably what they believe, the idea is to shape favored outcomes by denying their voters access to information.
        MC995 12d ago
        Unironically, yes.
- trashb 12d ago
  Censorship is bad, also it is always slippery slope. Additionally it is against Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights of the UN. And Article 20 of the Spanish Constitution.
gpm 12d ago
> including the site using editors' and readers' computers to run a denial-of-service attack This seems like sufficient justification not only to censor it at a state level, but to criminally prosecute any individual who visits the site after finding out about it - and thus knowingly joins in DDOS attacks.

SSLy 13d ago

I understand it to be a stand off between western special services on behalf of the media empires, and some random russian… criminals? their own intelligence or adjacent criminals? Just randos on a mission?

TitaRusell 13d ago
Russia doesn't produce content that anyone wants to pay for. So piracy is no economic loss for Putin. Secondly Russia's economy is going down the drain and the population definitely needs distraction from the war. Bread and circuses.
- eyya 12d ago
  Russia exports a huge amount of content (from cartoons to AI), which is why it did not withdraw from copyright treaties in 2022, as Belarus did