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You can downvote the parent post all you like, but… > Personally I don't care much about stories in games I cant relate to this. Chrono trigger is a game I l

You can downvote the parent post all you like, but… > Personally I don't care much about stories in games I cant relate to this. Chrono trigger is a game I love because of the great story. If you’re playing rpgs and you don't care about the story or characters… I have no idea. Its like reading a book and saying you don't enjoy the story; you're what, just there for the physical motion of turning the pages? No idea. Chrono cross left no impression on me. I agree with the parent post.

SmasherEpilepti 16d ago
> I have no idea. Its like reading a book and saying you don't enjoy the story; you're what, just there for the physical motion of turning the pages? I think you were intending for novels, but poetry books typically don't really have much in the way of "story", just aesthetics. Even for novels, there are many that I primarily appreciate the prose. I love everything about the Kingkiller Chronicle books, but the prose itself is quite pleasant in isolation, and I could probably appreciate the books even if the story and worldbuilding weren't good. Plenty of RPGs don't have much in the way of story. The story of the first Final Fantasy is nearly absent. Same with the first Diablo, and most roguelikes. Obviously, you can enjoy an RPG without caring for the story or characters, because the main point the vast majority of games is to play them.
- monkpit 16d ago
  The analogy to a book doesn’t fit anyways. The closest thing would be telling someone they’re reading a choose-your-own-adventure book wrong somehow, and even then it’s a stretch.
  - American87 16d ago
    Playing devil's advocate: If someone revealed to you that they enjoyed "You are a shark" as much as "Cave of Time", and after inquiring you learned that they don't read the page, they just skip to the decision, and backtrack if they get a The End: Did they enjoy the game? If there are enough of these type 2 readers should the industry start catering to them over legacy type 1 page readers?
    - monkpit 16d ago
      The point is that it doesn’t matter, they enjoyed it. The fun police weren’t invited to do an investigation, no matter what scenario or analogy is applied. Saying “you didn’t like it right” is gatekeeping.
monkpit 16d ago
Why announce that you’re incapable of allowing someone to hold an opinion that doesn’t match yours? Would it be so wrong for someone to enjoy something in a different way than you do? Or should they be chastised for enjoying it the wrong way? You’re welcome to ask what brings them enjoyment, to broaden your views, instead of dismissing them.
- noodletheworld 16d ago
  Bluntly? Because it’s a meaningless opinion. You like coding, but not the algorithms. You like books but not the story. This isn't “I will play it my way”; its heres a BS reason why legitimate critique can be dismissed out of hand. “Oh, but for me its not about of the food tastes good” Ok. Sure. You do You. …but if someone says: that meal was rubbish and tasteless, is it so outrageous to call out “but I don't care about the taste” as incomprehensible nonsense to the majority of people? Am I being outrageous here? What does the the “rp” stand for in rpg? You tell me.
  - cgriswald 16d ago
    There is more than one thing to enjoy about anything and yes, someone may enjoy aspects you aren’t even aware of even if they don’t enjoy the aspect you think of as the core aspect. You brought up the subject of food, but not everyone even agrees that taste is the most important element. For some it’s the social aspect of the meal. For some it’s the nutritional value. Some may only tolerate the taste of something but enjoy the texture or the warm feeling in their belly. People can also eat things they don’t enjoy but be glad they did for the experience of just trying that thing. It isn’t outrageous that you don’t understand it. It does imply that you’re blind to all the other aspects of games that bring people enjoyment. You personally would probably be better off not trying to defend this and instead trying to understand the views others have. You could just ask the poster what he does care about in games.
    - noodletheworld 16d ago
      > It does imply that you’re blind to all the other aspects of games that bring people enjoyment. Like what? I’m not making a sweeping generalisation here about how people play games. We’re talking about chrono cross. For a story driven JRPG like CT / CC specifically, if you don’t care about the characters or story, there is no reason to achieve any goal in the game. I’m not so proud I can’t admit to being wrong; but in a JRPG there is no game without the character driven story. If you imagine replacing Kid and Serge with cardboard cutouts labeled A-san and B-san, what are you enjoying about the game?

SmasherEpilepti 16d ago

> I have no idea. Its like reading a book and saying you don't enjoy the story; you're what, just there for the physical motion of turning the pages? I think you were intending for novels, but poetry books typically don't really have much in the way of "story", just aesthetics. Even for novels, there are many that I primarily appreciate the prose. I love everything about the Kingkiller Chronicle books, but the prose itself is quite pleasant in isolation, and I could probably appreciate the books even if the story and worldbuilding weren't good. Plenty of RPGs don't have much in the way of story. The story of the first Final Fantasy is nearly absent. Same with the first Diablo, and most roguelikes. Obviously, you can enjoy an RPG without caring for the story or characters, because the main point the vast majority of games is to play them.

monkpit 16d ago
The analogy to a book doesn’t fit anyways. The closest thing would be telling someone they’re reading a choose-your-own-adventure book wrong somehow, and even then it’s a stretch.
- American87 16d ago
  Playing devil's advocate: If someone revealed to you that they enjoyed "You are a shark" as much as "Cave of Time", and after inquiring you learned that they don't read the page, they just skip to the decision, and backtrack if they get a The End: Did they enjoy the game? If there are enough of these type 2 readers should the industry start catering to them over legacy type 1 page readers?
  - monkpit 16d ago
    The point is that it doesn’t matter, they enjoyed it. The fun police weren’t invited to do an investigation, no matter what scenario or analogy is applied. Saying “you didn’t like it right” is gatekeeping.

monkpit 16d ago

Why announce that you’re incapable of allowing someone to hold an opinion that doesn’t match yours? Would it be so wrong for someone to enjoy something in a different way than you do? Or should they be chastised for enjoying it the wrong way? You’re welcome to ask what brings them enjoyment, to broaden your views, instead of dismissing them.

noodletheworld 16d ago
Bluntly? Because it’s a meaningless opinion. You like coding, but not the algorithms. You like books but not the story. This isn't “I will play it my way”; its heres a BS reason why legitimate critique can be dismissed out of hand. “Oh, but for me its not about of the food tastes good” Ok. Sure. You do You. …but if someone says: that meal was rubbish and tasteless, is it so outrageous to call out “but I don't care about the taste” as incomprehensible nonsense to the majority of people? Am I being outrageous here? What does the the “rp” stand for in rpg? You tell me.
- cgriswald 16d ago
  There is more than one thing to enjoy about anything and yes, someone may enjoy aspects you aren’t even aware of even if they don’t enjoy the aspect you think of as the core aspect. You brought up the subject of food, but not everyone even agrees that taste is the most important element. For some it’s the social aspect of the meal. For some it’s the nutritional value. Some may only tolerate the taste of something but enjoy the texture or the warm feeling in their belly. People can also eat things they don’t enjoy but be glad they did for the experience of just trying that thing. It isn’t outrageous that you don’t understand it. It does imply that you’re blind to all the other aspects of games that bring people enjoyment. You personally would probably be better off not trying to defend this and instead trying to understand the views others have. You could just ask the poster what he does care about in games.
  - noodletheworld 16d ago
    > It does imply that you’re blind to all the other aspects of games that bring people enjoyment. Like what? I’m not making a sweeping generalisation here about how people play games. We’re talking about chrono cross. For a story driven JRPG like CT / CC specifically, if you don’t care about the characters or story, there is no reason to achieve any goal in the game. I’m not so proud I can’t admit to being wrong; but in a JRPG there is no game without the character driven story. If you imagine replacing Kid and Serge with cardboard cutouts labeled A-san and B-san, what are you enjoying about the game?