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There is currently a bot beating everyone on the ladder. Just watched it today on Artosiscasts yt channel.

ericpruitt 14d ago
Link to the video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE . I would note the bot is not APM limited, and comments suggest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7oy5dex4AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJTgmiBN14AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJT...) it's likely using map hacks, both of which make the bot significantly less impressive.
- vitaflo 14d ago
  If you read the TL thread on this, the bot is technically running at 240 APM, but its commands get split off into separate commands for each unit, so the APM looks higher. I've watched several replays on this. It using map hacks is lame but it also doesn't always take advantage of them. It sometimes does respect its own fog of war. It mostly wins with incredible micro (kinda has to, it's macro kinda sucks). Most of its few losses come from drops (it never makes turrets and doesn't know how to handle them), bad macro (blocking its own ramp) or just incredibly unconventional play from its opponent (which is certainly not in its training set).
  - chrishare 14d ago
    Specifically, it can micro across multiple screens of engagement in a way that we can't as easily.
    - stephbook 13d ago
      StarCraft is just not a good benchmark exactly for these reasons: Endless complaining about the bots not being limited in the way humans are. "Oh it's able to issue commands too fast." "Oh no, I give it full map access and it uses that." Ego shooters are, naturally, also not good benchmarks. OpenAI won DotA2 in 2019, a way better game.
      - monster_truck 13d ago
        dota wouldn't exist without Aeon of Strife (the UMS map from Starcraft that was later reworked into WC3 dota)
      - Forgeties79 13d ago
        It’s not “endless complaining” when the bot is functionally cheating. Yes if you let a computer use special mechanisms it will operate faster than a person who is using a mouse and a keyboard. A computer computers better than a person, what a revelation. I don’t applaud people using aim assist in CS for the same reason. We literally don’t have access to the same tools. That’s why chess has been such a great target for years. One’s ability to manipulate the pieces has no bearing.
- iammjm 14d ago
  It is in fact APM limited, and its creator claims it was trained without the map hack so it should do just as well without it. I think the bot is VERY impressive and has already managed to beat several top Korean pros which is really godlike
  - y-curious 14d ago
    I’m a little bummed it did have map hack on. Would love to see this play “legit”. It really reminds me of my pastime, chess. When you play bots, if you don’t mess up early, it can often feel like you’re winning in the early game even though you’re just hanging yourself slowly with the rope it’s giving you.
    - cindyllm 14d ago
      [dead]
- readams 14d ago
  Bots have been unable to beat even pretty good amateur humans despite those advantages so it's still pretty interesting.
  - monster_truck 13d ago
    bot is at the top of the kr ladder right now (excluding drop hackers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE

Link to the video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE . I would note the bot is not APM limited, and comments suggest (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7oy5dex4AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7... , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJTgmiBN14AaABAg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJT...) it's likely using map hacks, both of which make the bot significantly less impressive.

vitaflo 14d ago
If you read the TL thread on this, the bot is technically running at 240 APM, but its commands get split off into separate commands for each unit, so the APM looks higher. I've watched several replays on this. It using map hacks is lame but it also doesn't always take advantage of them. It sometimes does respect its own fog of war. It mostly wins with incredible micro (kinda has to, it's macro kinda sucks). Most of its few losses come from drops (it never makes turrets and doesn't know how to handle them), bad macro (blocking its own ramp) or just incredibly unconventional play from its opponent (which is certainly not in its training set).
- chrishare 14d ago
  Specifically, it can micro across multiple screens of engagement in a way that we can't as easily.
  - stephbook 13d ago
    StarCraft is just not a good benchmark exactly for these reasons: Endless complaining about the bots not being limited in the way humans are. "Oh it's able to issue commands too fast." "Oh no, I give it full map access and it uses that." Ego shooters are, naturally, also not good benchmarks. OpenAI won DotA2 in 2019, a way better game.
    - monster_truck 13d ago
      dota wouldn't exist without Aeon of Strife (the UMS map from Starcraft that was later reworked into WC3 dota)
    - Forgeties79 13d ago
      It’s not “endless complaining” when the bot is functionally cheating. Yes if you let a computer use special mechanisms it will operate faster than a person who is using a mouse and a keyboard. A computer computers better than a person, what a revelation. I don’t applaud people using aim assist in CS for the same reason. We literally don’t have access to the same tools. That’s why chess has been such a great target for years. One’s ability to manipulate the pieces has no bearing.
iammjm 14d ago
It is in fact APM limited, and its creator claims it was trained without the map hack so it should do just as well without it. I think the bot is VERY impressive and has already managed to beat several top Korean pros which is really godlike
- y-curious 14d ago
  I’m a little bummed it did have map hack on. Would love to see this play “legit”. It really reminds me of my pastime, chess. When you play bots, if you don’t mess up early, it can often feel like you’re winning in the early game even though you’re just hanging yourself slowly with the rope it’s giving you.
  - cindyllm 14d ago
    [dead]
readams 14d ago
Bots have been unable to beat even pretty good amateur humans despite those advantages so it's still pretty interesting.
- monster_truck 13d ago
  bot is at the top of the kr ladder right now (excluding drop hackers) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE