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Except for the fact that the developer has sabotaged the project into being removed from mainline?

by tarruda 7d ago

AceJohnny2 7d ago
that's not necessarily a sabotage.
- eikenberry 7d ago
  Sabotage might not be the best word, but it hurt trust and adoption.
  - koverstreet 7d ago
    It's just been a lot less drama within the project since the split. I do have a lot more pull requests to merge than I did before. I don't know if you want to count "Kent isn't reviewing PRs fast enough" as drama :)
tombert 7d ago
It's relatively easy to get it working as a kernel module at least. I got it set up on a NixOS box without too much trouble.
- petre 7d ago
  Not something I'd want to do with my filesystem though. ZFS is different story it it isn't on the root fs because it might be packaged by the distribution.
  - tombert 7d ago
    Fair, I still don’t use it on my main machine, just a shitty laptop that I keep around to play with.
  - nikisweeting 6d ago
    there are tricks to avoid needing distro support / kernel modules for ZFS: https://github.com/pirate/zfsbox https://github.com/pirate/zfsbox also tricks to make it easy to convert a root FS to ZFS now that Ubuntu Server 24.04 added native root-on-zfs support: https://github.com/pirate/zfsify https://github.com/pirate/zfsify
    - tombert 6d ago
      I hadn't heard of zfsify, but I think I'll check it out on yet another old laptop running ext4.
irusensei 7d ago
That might be the best thing happened to the project since now development can happen at its own pace without the clicky bait influencers. In fact they delivered the erasure coding for parity raid back in march this year. The thing is that as soon as you seriously give a chance to Bcachefs you see how good it is. I can only tell you that mixing different device tiers and having a per-file/directory replication setting is a god send specially in these times where storage costs more than gold.
- tarruda 7d ago
  > The thing is that as soon as you seriously give a chance to Bcachefs you see how good it is. I'm pretty sure Bcachefs is amazing and better than Btrfs. I also think Zfs is amazing and better than Btrfs. Even so, I still use Btrfs because I know it is guaranteed to always be present on any Linux without any effort on my part. > That might be the best thing happened to the project since now development can happen at its own pace without the clicky bait influencers. A better approach might have been to just paused mainline merging instead of forcing being kicked out? Eg "Hey Linus, Bcachefs is still in early development and I need to merge changes in a pace that is not compatible with Linux development process. So I'm going to pause for a while now and once it reaches maintenance status I will focus on submitting patches in a healthy pace that you can digest".
  - irusensei 7d ago
    I think in a perfect world they should had put someone in between to mediate and curate patches while providing DKMS for urgent patches. As for BTRFS I think its also pretty good. Its just that I have the impression its development is guided by the needs of its sponsors and sadly for us META doesn't need RAID5.
    - koverstreet 7d ago
      Meta doesn't have anyone working on btrfs anymore, it appears to be two guys at SuSE and drive bys.

Except for the fact that the developer has sabotaged the project into being removed from mainline?

AceJohnny2 7d ago

that's not necessarily a sabotage.

eikenberry 7d ago
Sabotage might not be the best word, but it hurt trust and adoption.
- koverstreet 7d ago
  It's just been a lot less drama within the project since the split. I do have a lot more pull requests to merge than I did before. I don't know if you want to count "Kent isn't reviewing PRs fast enough" as drama :)

tombert 7d ago

It's relatively easy to get it working as a kernel module at least. I got it set up on a NixOS box without too much trouble.

petre 7d ago
Not something I'd want to do with my filesystem though. ZFS is different story it it isn't on the root fs because it might be packaged by the distribution.
- tombert 7d ago
  Fair, I still don’t use it on my main machine, just a shitty laptop that I keep around to play with.
- nikisweeting 6d ago
  there are tricks to avoid needing distro support / kernel modules for ZFS: https://github.com/pirate/zfsbox https://github.com/pirate/zfsbox also tricks to make it easy to convert a root FS to ZFS now that Ubuntu Server 24.04 added native root-on-zfs support: https://github.com/pirate/zfsify https://github.com/pirate/zfsify
  - tombert 6d ago
    I hadn't heard of zfsify, but I think I'll check it out on yet another old laptop running ext4.

irusensei 7d ago

That might be the best thing happened to the project since now development can happen at its own pace without the clicky bait influencers. In fact they delivered the erasure coding for parity raid back in march this year. The thing is that as soon as you seriously give a chance to Bcachefs you see how good it is. I can only tell you that mixing different device tiers and having a per-file/directory replication setting is a god send specially in these times where storage costs more than gold.

tarruda 7d ago
> The thing is that as soon as you seriously give a chance to Bcachefs you see how good it is. I'm pretty sure Bcachefs is amazing and better than Btrfs. I also think Zfs is amazing and better than Btrfs. Even so, I still use Btrfs because I know it is guaranteed to always be present on any Linux without any effort on my part. > That might be the best thing happened to the project since now development can happen at its own pace without the clicky bait influencers. A better approach might have been to just paused mainline merging instead of forcing being kicked out? Eg "Hey Linus, Bcachefs is still in early development and I need to merge changes in a pace that is not compatible with Linux development process. So I'm going to pause for a while now and once it reaches maintenance status I will focus on submitting patches in a healthy pace that you can digest".
- irusensei 7d ago
  I think in a perfect world they should had put someone in between to mediate and curate patches while providing DKMS for urgent patches. As for BTRFS I think its also pretty good. Its just that I have the impression its development is guided by the needs of its sponsors and sadly for us META doesn't need RAID5.
  - koverstreet 7d ago
    Meta doesn't have anyone working on btrfs anymore, it appears to be two guys at SuSE and drive bys.