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You think that no one who criticizes AI pays for human artwork? That is a bizarre stance

by paulhebert 7d ago

FooBarWidget 7d ago
Do you think the vast majority who criticize AI pays for good human artwork? Now that is a bizarre stance.
- thunderfork 7d ago
  Motte and bailey; "none" -> "vast majority" I know plenty of people (including myself) who pay for good human artwork :)
  - FooBarWidget 6d ago
    This is about paying for better-than-AI human artwork, not any human artwork. Would they pay premium for non-AI? That matters much more than whether they pay when they have no choice.
    - thunderfork 5d ago
      I do exactly this all the time, and know many who also do this all the time, yes. So, this refutes the bailey: >None of the AI haters (or haters in general) are willing to put money where their mouths are.
- johnnyanmac 7d ago
  Unless they've been in a coma all their life until 2022... Yes? You think only pirates are anti-AI or something? What are you getting at?
  - FooBarWidget 6d ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49775715 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49775715
- paulhebert 7d ago
  You think most people don’t pay for movies, music, games, clothing with designs, art, etc.?
  - FooBarWidget 6d ago
    None of those things are battlegrounds for AI art complaints since AI usage is still minimal there. The AI complaints are about anime, posters, YouTube videos, etc. There was recently an anime in which they used one AI generated background in the ending theme, which spurred countless complaints. It's common knowledge that anime animators are badly paid and work on insane schedules, so they used AI to cut corners. How many of those complainers proposed better wages and less pressure for animators, vs demanding free replacement of the background at no cost on their own? This is entitlement. When a significant amount of movie scenes are AI generated, let's see whether viewers are willing to pay premium for non-AI scenes, or whether they only complain that they're not getting non-AI at no additional charges.
    - johnnyanmac 6d ago
      I don't really understand your argument. So because me in America was not able to vouch for Japanese labor laws, I don't support human art? My country isn't exactly in the nest position to judge other countries's economic budgets. Especially in the arts. >When a significant amount of movie scenes are AI generated, let's see whether viewers are willing to pay premium for non-AI scenes, You act like prices for media isn't going up while also enshittifying at the same time. Netflix, Xbox, theatres, DVD/BD box sets, game consoles, and so much more did not need AI as an excuse to raise prices.

You think that no one who criticizes AI pays for human artwork? That is a bizarre stance

FooBarWidget 7d ago

Do you think the vast majority who criticize AI pays for good human artwork? Now that is a bizarre stance.

thunderfork 7d ago
Motte and bailey; "none" -> "vast majority" I know plenty of people (including myself) who pay for good human artwork :)
- FooBarWidget 6d ago
  This is about paying for better-than-AI human artwork, not any human artwork. Would they pay premium for non-AI? That matters much more than whether they pay when they have no choice.
  - thunderfork 5d ago
    I do exactly this all the time, and know many who also do this all the time, yes. So, this refutes the bailey: >None of the AI haters (or haters in general) are willing to put money where their mouths are.
johnnyanmac 7d ago
Unless they've been in a coma all their life until 2022... Yes? You think only pirates are anti-AI or something? What are you getting at?
- FooBarWidget 6d ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49775715 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49775715
paulhebert 7d ago
You think most people don’t pay for movies, music, games, clothing with designs, art, etc.?
- FooBarWidget 6d ago
  None of those things are battlegrounds for AI art complaints since AI usage is still minimal there. The AI complaints are about anime, posters, YouTube videos, etc. There was recently an anime in which they used one AI generated background in the ending theme, which spurred countless complaints. It's common knowledge that anime animators are badly paid and work on insane schedules, so they used AI to cut corners. How many of those complainers proposed better wages and less pressure for animators, vs demanding free replacement of the background at no cost on their own? This is entitlement. When a significant amount of movie scenes are AI generated, let's see whether viewers are willing to pay premium for non-AI scenes, or whether they only complain that they're not getting non-AI at no additional charges.
  - johnnyanmac 6d ago
    I don't really understand your argument. So because me in America was not able to vouch for Japanese labor laws, I don't support human art? My country isn't exactly in the nest position to judge other countries's economic budgets. Especially in the arts. >When a significant amount of movie scenes are AI generated, let's see whether viewers are willing to pay premium for non-AI scenes, You act like prices for media isn't going up while also enshittifying at the same time. Netflix, Xbox, theatres, DVD/BD box sets, game consoles, and so much more did not need AI as an excuse to raise prices.