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You can see the slop through the headline. No need to click. Posts like this are turning the internet into a trash pile. Nobody needs this slop, abandonware.

You can see the slop through the headline. No need to click. Posts like this are turning the internet into a trash pile. Nobody needs this slop, abandonware. Heres the template: "I" <--- prompted some LLM "built" <--- to generate code for a "fastest" <-- insert specious claim here "PHP server" <-- thing "And I prompted the LLM to build a website" <---- link Im sorry folks but this just doesnt cut it anymore. I dont think it ever did.

ceejayoz 16d ago
I saw someone promote their new simple framework today. It was all TODOs.
- EGreg 15d ago
  And this one has a working webserver you can run in one command, a graphical user interface and real-time dashboard, tests to prove the claims, and example apps to make it easy to start. Not to mention that you can run your existing PHP apps unmodified with it just like you can with php-fpm.
  - ceejayoz 15d ago
    All that may be true! Some of these projects are genuinely awesome. The problem is having to wade through it all. I have finite time.
bliteben 16d ago
I feel like HN has had posts like this for 15 years. This one is just an opportunity to discuss where php falls with llms in the mix.
croisillon 16d ago
Just because LLMs can write copy for webpages doesn't mean they should. A landing page should not warrant a tl;dr. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665895
- EGreg 15d ago
  The grandfather comment is pants-on-fire wrong. “No need to click” while they opine on something you’ve never seen. As far as the landing page — there are truly many features that this webserver enables. That’s why the website lists 9 categories and links to other pages. It also has expandable sections like “how can it be this fast?” I do use LLMs in my toolchain, to generate text and code, and compilers to generate code, but I also cover it heavily with automated tests and also battle-test it in my own environments on actual workloads. I mean sheesh, I am literally sharing it so that you can download and run it yourself, and if you run into something obscure on your environment, report any issues and it’ll be fixed.
okeuro49 16d ago
I think that is far to harsh actually. It has some interesting ideas and architecture.
EGreg 15d ago
I think what’s happening is: I spend months iterating and building software, that makes some major breakthroughs over existing software. I am able to do this by using LLMs in my toolchain, as well as automated testing suites, and compilers. I don’t write assembly language by hand. What happens is that I have the documentation and front facing websites also generated by LLMs. And many people commenting here didn’t even bother to click through and download the actual software or try it. If you did, you would have seen the tests, and example apps. You would have seen the graphicsl UX and dashboard the server itself enables. The fact that no one even mentioned it suggests to me that the people commenting are ones cutting corners. So me using more automation in addition to compiles and test suites isn’t the issue, if you are unwilling so much as to run it before opining publicly about it. Based solely on a README file. In particular, this server allows people (like the entrepreneurs on HN) to handle 100x as many simultaneous users than current php-fpm, or be as safe as php-fpm while being as fast as Swoole, Roadrunner, FrankenPHP. Try it. PS: the same thing happened here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665345
- bbg2401 15d ago
  There are no breakthroughs. And your attempt to closely associate LLM’s with compilers is tiresome. Look, you are allowed to feel excited about using coding agents but understand we don’t have to lower the bar with the purpose of entertaining your LLM induced delusions of grandeur.
  - EGreg 15d ago
    Wrong on both points. Yes, there are clearly breakthroughs since it can handle 100x more users at the same time than PHP-FPM, also it handles everything else including websockets, etc. Furthermore, it's not just me associating LLMs with compilers. Linus Torvalds said this 2 months ago. I'm sure you'll find him to be tiresome too... you're much more knowledgeable than all of us: https://www.reddit.com/r/theprimeagen/comments/1ucitd0/linus_torvalds_took_the_stage_at_open_source/ https://www.reddit.com/r/theprimeagen/comments/1ucitd0/linus... Sorry no offense, but you're not very convincing, when you didn't even bother to look at the software or read the actual package documentation to any extent. You're pattern-matching in this case more than a low-weight LLM here.

ceejayoz 16d ago

I saw someone promote their new simple framework today. It was all TODOs.

EGreg 15d ago
And this one has a working webserver you can run in one command, a graphical user interface and real-time dashboard, tests to prove the claims, and example apps to make it easy to start. Not to mention that you can run your existing PHP apps unmodified with it just like you can with php-fpm.
- ceejayoz 15d ago
  All that may be true! Some of these projects are genuinely awesome. The problem is having to wade through it all. I have finite time.

bliteben 16d ago

I feel like HN has had posts like this for 15 years. This one is just an opportunity to discuss where php falls with llms in the mix.

croisillon 16d ago

Just because LLMs can write copy for webpages doesn't mean they should. A landing page should not warrant a tl;dr. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665895 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665895

EGreg 15d ago
The grandfather comment is pants-on-fire wrong. “No need to click” while they opine on something you’ve never seen. As far as the landing page — there are truly many features that this webserver enables. That’s why the website lists 9 categories and links to other pages. It also has expandable sections like “how can it be this fast?” I do use LLMs in my toolchain, to generate text and code, and compilers to generate code, but I also cover it heavily with automated tests and also battle-test it in my own environments on actual workloads. I mean sheesh, I am literally sharing it so that you can download and run it yourself, and if you run into something obscure on your environment, report any issues and it’ll be fixed.

okeuro49 16d ago

I think that is far to harsh actually. It has some interesting ideas and architecture.

EGreg 15d ago

I think what’s happening is: I spend months iterating and building software, that makes some major breakthroughs over existing software. I am able to do this by using LLMs in my toolchain, as well as automated testing suites, and compilers. I don’t write assembly language by hand. What happens is that I have the documentation and front facing websites also generated by LLMs. And many people commenting here didn’t even bother to click through and download the actual software or try it. If you did, you would have seen the tests, and example apps. You would have seen the graphicsl UX and dashboard the server itself enables. The fact that no one even mentioned it suggests to me that the people commenting are ones cutting corners. So me using more automation in addition to compiles and test suites isn’t the issue, if you are unwilling so much as to run it before opining publicly about it. Based solely on a README file. In particular, this server allows people (like the entrepreneurs on HN) to handle 100x as many simultaneous users than current php-fpm, or be as safe as php-fpm while being as fast as Swoole, Roadrunner, FrankenPHP. Try it. PS: the same thing happened here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665345 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49665345

bbg2401 15d ago
There are no breakthroughs. And your attempt to closely associate LLM’s with compilers is tiresome. Look, you are allowed to feel excited about using coding agents but understand we don’t have to lower the bar with the purpose of entertaining your LLM induced delusions of grandeur.
- EGreg 15d ago
  Wrong on both points. Yes, there are clearly breakthroughs since it can handle 100x more users at the same time than PHP-FPM, also it handles everything else including websockets, etc. Furthermore, it's not just me associating LLMs with compilers. Linus Torvalds said this 2 months ago. I'm sure you'll find him to be tiresome too... you're much more knowledgeable than all of us: https://www.reddit.com/r/theprimeagen/comments/1ucitd0/linus_torvalds_took_the_stage_at_open_source/ https://www.reddit.com/r/theprimeagen/comments/1ucitd0/linus... Sorry no offense, but you're not very convincing, when you didn't even bother to look at the software or read the actual package documentation to any extent. You're pattern-matching in this case more than a low-weight LLM here.