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And how is laya previous art? The project was vibecoded and posted yesterday. https://github.com/NandhaKishorM/laya/commits/main/ https://github.com/NandhaKish

And how is laya previous art? The project was vibecoded and posted yesterday. https://github.com/NandhaKishorM/laya/commits/main/ https://github.com/NandhaKishorM/laya/commits/main/ https://huggingface.co/convaiinnovations/laya/commits/main https://huggingface.co/convaiinnovations/laya/commits/main

nandakishor_ml 14d ago
The paper is one year old. https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.01237 https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.01237 https://pypi.org/project/hallunox/ https://pypi.org/project/hallunox/
- prodigycorp 14d ago
  Excuse me, but calibrating language models to accurately reflect probabilities did not start with you.
  - nandakishor_ml 14d ago
    I didn't claimed it bro it was first. Just shared the findings here.
    - prodigycorp 14d ago
      [flagged]
      - nandakishor_ml 14d ago
        just not these jev guys not opensourcing their work
        verdverm 14d ago
        You used a number of not open source projects in your paper, are you equally upset with them for this reason?
- dcow 14d ago
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  - jeremyjh 14d ago
    Generally they do credit the papers and/or people who developed the theory behind their product.
  - charcircuit 14d ago
    Researchers definitely do get paid for research. That Google company you mention funds research which can be integrated into their products.
    - Matticus_Rex 14d ago
      Sure, researchers get paid when they either do the research under contract or productize the research and sell it themselves. But they don't usually do the latter because that's quite difficult.
      - verdverm 14d ago
        Are you grouping academic research funded by grants under the contract category? To me, there is a meaningful difference and I'd add a third category, but I can also see the contract angle
  - potterpie 14d ago
    Ideas are cheap. But the ideas are cheap coming from anyone. The reason some ideas (like JEV's) are taking up our attention (as opposed to Laya's) is not because of their execution ability, but because venture funding now is subbing filling in for execution ability. I do understand your argument to this would be - "welcome to the world!" or "that's just how the world works" - but that does not mean we do not recognize the ideas that came well before "venture funding made it happen". I'd like to remind us all that there is a reason Joseph Liouville took the time to painstakingly review Galois’s chaotic manuscripts to credit him. It matters who did what before everyone else - if you do want to say "ideas are cheap" - we'd need to control for other variables before drawing conclusions.
prometheus1992 14d ago
@prodigycorp - reading your comments here on this post - you seem pretty hurt by this post.
- prodigycorp 14d ago
  Yeah, the reason why I am annoyed by it is because a person (who felt like a burner account of the laya creator) yesterday was haranguing me for saying that projects like this were vibe coded, posting the link to this project. I evaluated this project yesterday and found its claims un-credible. It's literally nothing like jev. That's some context behind why, a day later, I find it annoying that this is somehow the top story on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49752902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49752902
  - prometheus1992 14d ago
    What is jev like? Did they release any research paper? I really think typesafe hired someone to boost their post because there was nothing "Breakthrough" about their product. At least this post has some touch with the reality that this functionality was available a year ago and was well known among ML people.
    - prodigycorp 14d ago
      I can't believe you say in another post that you have experience with bert and yet you don't understand the value of a generalist classifier. Good models take time and effort. There wasn't a good option for satisficers until a few days ago.
      - jessrenoir 13d ago
        It is standard discourse on here if you look backwards. Attention is All You Need sounds like a big nothingburger according to this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15938082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15938082
    - dcow 14d ago

nandakishor_ml 14d ago

The paper is one year old. https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.01237 https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.01237 https://pypi.org/project/hallunox/ https://pypi.org/project/hallunox/

prodigycorp 14d ago
Excuse me, but calibrating language models to accurately reflect probabilities did not start with you.
- nandakishor_ml 14d ago
  I didn't claimed it bro it was first. Just shared the findings here.
  - prodigycorp 14d ago
    [flagged]
    - nandakishor_ml 14d ago
      just not these jev guys not opensourcing their work
      - verdverm 14d ago
        You used a number of not open source projects in your paper, are you equally upset with them for this reason?
dcow 14d ago
[flagged]
- jeremyjh 14d ago
  Generally they do credit the papers and/or people who developed the theory behind their product.
- charcircuit 14d ago
  Researchers definitely do get paid for research. That Google company you mention funds research which can be integrated into their products.
  - Matticus_Rex 14d ago
    Sure, researchers get paid when they either do the research under contract or productize the research and sell it themselves. But they don't usually do the latter because that's quite difficult.
    - verdverm 14d ago
      Are you grouping academic research funded by grants under the contract category? To me, there is a meaningful difference and I'd add a third category, but I can also see the contract angle
- potterpie 14d ago
  Ideas are cheap. But the ideas are cheap coming from anyone. The reason some ideas (like JEV's) are taking up our attention (as opposed to Laya's) is not because of their execution ability, but because venture funding now is subbing filling in for execution ability. I do understand your argument to this would be - "welcome to the world!" or "that's just how the world works" - but that does not mean we do not recognize the ideas that came well before "venture funding made it happen". I'd like to remind us all that there is a reason Joseph Liouville took the time to painstakingly review Galois’s chaotic manuscripts to credit him. It matters who did what before everyone else - if you do want to say "ideas are cheap" - we'd need to control for other variables before drawing conclusions.

prometheus1992 14d ago

@prodigycorp - reading your comments here on this post - you seem pretty hurt by this post.

prodigycorp 14d ago
Yeah, the reason why I am annoyed by it is because a person (who felt like a burner account of the laya creator) yesterday was haranguing me for saying that projects like this were vibe coded, posting the link to this project. I evaluated this project yesterday and found its claims un-credible. It's literally nothing like jev. That's some context behind why, a day later, I find it annoying that this is somehow the top story on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49752902 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49752902
- prometheus1992 14d ago
  What is jev like? Did they release any research paper? I really think typesafe hired someone to boost their post because there was nothing "Breakthrough" about their product. At least this post has some touch with the reality that this functionality was available a year ago and was well known among ML people.
  - prodigycorp 14d ago
    I can't believe you say in another post that you have experience with bert and yet you don't understand the value of a generalist classifier. Good models take time and effort. There wasn't a good option for satisficers until a few days ago.
    - jessrenoir 13d ago
      It is standard discourse on here if you look backwards. Attention is All You Need sounds like a big nothingburger according to this post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15938082 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15938082
  - dcow 14d ago