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We've all seen "this meeting could have been an email"; now get ready for "this VC-backed firm could have been a single arXiv preprint." I don't want to be too

We've all seen "this meeting could have been an email"; now get ready for "this VC-backed firm could have been a single arXiv preprint." I don't want to be too dismissive of Jev, but building technology in stealth for two years just doesn't make sense to me when the capabilities are so easily replicated. These are strange times, where the incentive to do public research and the incentive to develop in private are both being eroded.

bensyverson 13d ago
And yet no one cared about this research until it was productized and communicated well. Multitouch existed before the iPhone.
- yipinwong 13d ago
  Bringing up iphone, I see how Jev pulled an Apple for making claims that their model is a breakthrough in research and 2 years of making like other iPhone features that's been around in other phones.
MisterMunchkin 13d ago
And Jev was obviously just created by ChatGPT reading this paper and copying it.
mgfist 13d ago
All this means is that brand and distribution matters more than ever. There's 1000 chatgpt clones but everyone still uses chatgpt. There might be 1000 jev clones soon enough but people won't switch unless there's something significantly better about it. It's also why Meta can make Muse and get a lot of users even though there's 10,000 personal agent startups
- hetspookjee 13d ago
  In jevs case I think the competing offerings will rear their head rather fast. The ability to label data like it does now leans itself well for distillation. And to switch out a model like fable for Astra is really not all that difficult. Yea jev is alone now. But before the end of the year another lab with the same offering will rear it’s head
  - mgfist 11d ago
    Did you even read my comment? Specifically this part: > There's 1000 chatgpt clones but everyone still uses chatgpt. There might be 1000 jev clones soon enough but people won't switch unless there's something significantly better about it. The fact that Jev will be cloned is exactly why brand and distribution matter even more. When 1,000 products do the same thing, you'll use the one you know.

bensyverson 13d ago

And yet no one cared about this research until it was productized and communicated well. Multitouch existed before the iPhone.

yipinwong 13d ago
Bringing up iphone, I see how Jev pulled an Apple for making claims that their model is a breakthrough in research and 2 years of making like other iPhone features that's been around in other phones.

MisterMunchkin 13d ago

And Jev was obviously just created by ChatGPT reading this paper and copying it.

mgfist 13d ago

All this means is that brand and distribution matters more than ever. There's 1000 chatgpt clones but everyone still uses chatgpt. There might be 1000 jev clones soon enough but people won't switch unless there's something significantly better about it. It's also why Meta can make Muse and get a lot of users even though there's 10,000 personal agent startups

hetspookjee 13d ago
In jevs case I think the competing offerings will rear their head rather fast. The ability to label data like it does now leans itself well for distillation. And to switch out a model like fable for Astra is really not all that difficult. Yea jev is alone now. But before the end of the year another lab with the same offering will rear it’s head
- mgfist 11d ago
  Did you even read my comment? Specifically this part: > There's 1000 chatgpt clones but everyone still uses chatgpt. There might be 1000 jev clones soon enough but people won't switch unless there's something significantly better about it. The fact that Jev will be cloned is exactly why brand and distribution matter even more. When 1,000 products do the same thing, you'll use the one you know.