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> I struggle to think of practical use cases. I guess your not on Twitter. It's not a coincidence this research paper from 2022 got posted today.

badatnames 16d ago
What happened today ?
- Avicebron 16d ago
  I think someone from OpenAI said something like "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap". (I think this was in response to people calling them out for not airgapping)
  - TeMPOraL 16d ago
    > "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap" All things well-known for good two decades and written about by x-risk/LessWrong crowd, but to date continued to be dismissed as lunacy. On one hand it's great to see it demonstrated in practice in concrete terms, on the other hand it's sad we have to basically make the mistakes ourselves, with live and close-to-dangerous systems, because we can't believe the obvious warnings.
    - Avicebron 16d ago
      You're likely not familiar with TEMPEST/EMSEC but this stuff was known about and discussed when designing air gaps going back to the 60s.. https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/tempest.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/decla... the x-risk/LessWrong crowd aren't adding anything to the conversation that seriously people haven't already considered.
      - TeMPOraL 16d ago
        I didn't mean they first invented or described the methods, but that they've been consistently presenting a solid argument that these and other methods make airgapping and sandboxing AGI a dangerously flawed idea from the start. They are the serious people who considered this, and to date nobody listens.
        Avicebron 15d ago
        Well... they aren't the serious people... which is probably a good thing. You don't really want to know the serious people.
      - demritocracy 16d ago
        We need a Wildfire base like in the Andromeda Strain
      - Muromec 15d ago
        Less wrong gives off a give of wanker doomsday cult in general. Like they just enjoy being scared or something, but are not actually serious about anything. Like the true crime YouTube series enjoyers. That's purely vibes based of course
        dist-epoch 15d ago
        Yet they were much better at predicting Covid or AI than the "serious people" which dismissed these subjects until it smacked them in the face.
  - sidewndr46 16d ago
    I'm pretty sure this is from the plot of the show Continuum.
  - rep_lodsb 16d ago
    There needs to be something on the other side to receive that morse code. Unless it's like Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect and it figures out how to rearrange matter just by modulating some electronic signal. If you think this is a realistic possibility, you might be experiencing AI psychosis.
  - fragmede 15d ago
    They were thinking of Van Eyck Phreaking

badatnames 16d ago

What happened today ?

Avicebron 16d ago
I think someone from OpenAI said something like "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap". (I think this was in response to people calling them out for not airgapping)
- TeMPOraL 16d ago
  > "air gapping AI can't (hypothetically) work because it will figure out a way to basically morse code across the airgap" All things well-known for good two decades and written about by x-risk/LessWrong crowd, but to date continued to be dismissed as lunacy. On one hand it's great to see it demonstrated in practice in concrete terms, on the other hand it's sad we have to basically make the mistakes ourselves, with live and close-to-dangerous systems, because we can't believe the obvious warnings.
  - Avicebron 16d ago
    You're likely not familiar with TEMPEST/EMSEC but this stuff was known about and discussed when designing air gaps going back to the 60s.. https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/cryptologic-spectrum/tempest.pdf https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/decla... the x-risk/LessWrong crowd aren't adding anything to the conversation that seriously people haven't already considered.
    - TeMPOraL 16d ago
      I didn't mean they first invented or described the methods, but that they've been consistently presenting a solid argument that these and other methods make airgapping and sandboxing AGI a dangerously flawed idea from the start. They are the serious people who considered this, and to date nobody listens.
      - Avicebron 15d ago
        Well... they aren't the serious people... which is probably a good thing. You don't really want to know the serious people.
    - demritocracy 16d ago
      We need a Wildfire base like in the Andromeda Strain
    - Muromec 15d ago
      Less wrong gives off a give of wanker doomsday cult in general. Like they just enjoy being scared or something, but are not actually serious about anything. Like the true crime YouTube series enjoyers. That's purely vibes based of course
      - dist-epoch 15d ago
        Yet they were much better at predicting Covid or AI than the "serious people" which dismissed these subjects until it smacked them in the face.
- sidewndr46 16d ago
  I'm pretty sure this is from the plot of the show Continuum.
- rep_lodsb 16d ago
  There needs to be something on the other side to receive that morse code. Unless it's like Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect and it figures out how to rearrange matter just by modulating some electronic signal. If you think this is a realistic possibility, you might be experiencing AI psychosis.
- fragmede 15d ago
  They were thinking of Van Eyck Phreaking