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There aren't small problems in these posters though. They're huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever. When it in

There aren't small problems in these posters though. They're huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever. When it includes an American Flag with more than 50 stars + the bottom row is cut off, you know they didn't even bother to proofread it. This is the kind of garbage we're suffering with.

qarl 7d ago
You should try typing "American flag clipart" into Google and see non-AI images with the wrong number of stars.
- dgellow 7d ago
  Aren’t those ai generated too?
  - qarl 7d ago
    Why you making me check for you? The first one I clicked on is at a stock photo site that says: Every visual at iStock is crafted through human expertise, creativity, and ingenuity. We do not allow AI-generated visuals in our library.
    - dgellow 7d ago
      Are you aware we don’t all get the same results from a google image search? Or do you seriously believe if I search the same keywords we will be looking at the exact same images?
      - qarl 7d ago
        That's not what I said. I said the first one I saw was not AI art via simple inspection. I wondered if you even looked. Did you even look?
      - HappMacDonald 6d ago
        Why would you ask them to search for you if you knew they wouldn't get the same images you would get? Claim: A vast majority of human-made clip art that involves flags as tertiary elements will fail to render them in a vexillologically perfect manner.
FooBarWidget 7d ago
True. But an organizer who doesn't care, will also not be willing to pay for good artwork. AI haters should put money where their mouths are and fund human top artwork.
- dgellow 7d ago
  Posters for small events, a well known space where you will find „top artwork“… you really just need to spend 1h in Inkscape to get something decent
  - FooBarWidget 7d ago
    You're really overestimating how many people can draw something "decent" in Inkscape. Most likely they will take a template. That's not necessarily better than AI either.
    - dgellow 7d ago
      A template is perfectly fine to use
    - johnnyanmac 7d ago
      I don't claim to be an artist and a template is still done with the caring eye of a professional. It's way better than an AI generated poster. Or at the very least, there's many less instances where I've seen overly used templates than I have badly designed AI generated designs.
      - HappMacDonald 6d ago
        > a template is still done with the caring eye of a professional .. except when those are also AI generated
    - account42 5d ago
      Why are you talking in hypotheticals when we have lived before the AIpocalypse and posters were not at all as horrible as they are now.
rpdillon 7d ago
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- dgellow 7d ago
  Step 1: develop a cult of personality, to the point of becoming president 2 (even after openly failing to coup a lost election) Step 2-3: sell anything to your cult followers, doesn’t matter how good or bad it is Step 4: profit Simple recipe for success
- zahlman 6d ago
  People really will take any possible excuse to derail a thread and talk about political figures they don't like, huh?
  - rpdillon 6d ago
    It's not really about that, and it's not really a dunk, and it doesn't derail anything as far as I can tell. What we're discussing is the magnitude of the impact of the sorts of errors that AI makes in promotional material. When the President of the United States is actively promoting multi-hundred dollar items that are branded with his name and that have the same error that the parent commenter is complaining about, I think that's a worthwhile observation. What I'm trying to do is contrast the reality of what is actually being produced and bought by human beings, and what the parent commenter was suggesting was "huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever". It was extremely convenient that the exact critique they were leveling against this small business poster could also be leveled at such a high-profile product. You seem to think this is about Trump, but it's not. It's about low quality being the norm.
preg_match 7d ago
Those are, comparatively, small problems for the medium of a poster. You have to understand that 99% of people who will see the poster will view it for <5 seconds. They wont sit there and count the stars. And, of the people who do examine the poster closely, they’re looking at the text. They want to see the date, time, event details. The background is background.
- dsego 7d ago
  But what is the point of the background then? I mean, it seems like we're admitting that the design doesn't matter, then why keep up the ruse? Let's drop design, and keep just plain textual information. There is no substance to it, it's just performative, a simulacrum of design.
  - preg_match 6d ago
    I would think to catch people's eye so they look in the first place, sort of similar to an ad. Which is also why we see AI slop work well in ads. And before AI slop, we had corpo slop. Just bright colors and wacky animated characters who all fit that archetype where their limbs are too big. So I do think the design takes a back seat, at least for the common case. Of course there are exceptions, and those exceptions are exceptional, but for most purposes slop works fine.
richk449 7d ago
This is the important part. Right now, AI is a tool. You can use it to generate high quality output, or you can use it to generate slop. If the output is slop, that is a reflection of the person using the tool, not AI. I get AI slop from employees sometimes. If they provide poor quality work that hasn't been proofread, that is an employee problem, not an AI problem.
- johnnyanmac 7d ago
  You know the saying where a million dollar company failing is "their" problem, but a billion dollar company failing is "our" problem? We're going to quickly approach that problem in the conning years at this current rate, like the obesity epidemic. At some point you can't just dismiss things as personal responsibility when a significant portion of society suffers from it and need to instead look at the underlying systematic issues empowering bad incentives. Of course, the US is awful at the latter. So I'm not holding my breath.
  - richk449 6d ago
    I wholeheartedly agree. We are heading for troubled waters. All I can do is hold the people around me accountable for doing high quality work. But everywhere I look, there are too much incentive to just let AI do the thinking for you. My generation will be okay for the most part, since we spent decades thinking prior to AI. It is unclear if the next generations, that haven't already learned how to think, will ever learn.
doug_durham 7d ago
Not every poster has that issue as you can see from the posting. It is a simple matter of caring enough to look at the output in more detail. These are issues that can be overcome.
- wiml 7d ago
  Sure, but the basic value proposition of AI is that you don't have to care. These issues could be overcome, but they aren't, because the whole way the technology is promoted and sold guides the user away from caring.
  - GolfPopper 7d ago
    One of the things that keeps circling in my mind when it comes to LLMs and similar transformer architectures is they are technically very impressive, and some of the things they can do are amazing, but there seems to be a compulsive need by the executives of corporations producing them to lie about their capabilities. I suspect that what drives the compulsive lying and exaggeration is that they know what LLMs can actually do is not worth the development and operating costs (at least for now), so, like Bernie Madoff, they pretend that they're more capable than they are in the hopes that the next round of investment will somehow bridge the gap and let them actually produce what they've been falsely promising their investors they can do, and make the whole thing worthwhile.
  - kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 7d ago
    Disagree. The value proposition of AI is that you can focus your caring on the things that matter, and let the machine do the dirty work.
- eMpHaSe 6d ago
  Absolutely. You need to tell the right things being exclusive on the poster to catch the really important facts.
zahlman 6d ago
> They're huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever. Remember when this sort of ascending tricolon was supposed to be a dead giveaway for LLM-written prose?

qarl 7d ago

You should try typing "American flag clipart" into Google and see non-AI images with the wrong number of stars.

dgellow 7d ago
Aren’t those ai generated too?
- qarl 7d ago
  Why you making me check for you? The first one I clicked on is at a stock photo site that says: Every visual at iStock is crafted through human expertise, creativity, and ingenuity. We do not allow AI-generated visuals in our library.
  - dgellow 7d ago
    Are you aware we don’t all get the same results from a google image search? Or do you seriously believe if I search the same keywords we will be looking at the exact same images?
    - qarl 7d ago
      That's not what I said. I said the first one I saw was not AI art via simple inspection. I wondered if you even looked. Did you even look?
    - HappMacDonald 6d ago
      Why would you ask them to search for you if you knew they wouldn't get the same images you would get? Claim: A vast majority of human-made clip art that involves flags as tertiary elements will fail to render them in a vexillologically perfect manner.

FooBarWidget 7d ago

True. But an organizer who doesn't care, will also not be willing to pay for good artwork. AI haters should put money where their mouths are and fund human top artwork.

dgellow 7d ago
Posters for small events, a well known space where you will find „top artwork“… you really just need to spend 1h in Inkscape to get something decent
- FooBarWidget 7d ago
  You're really overestimating how many people can draw something "decent" in Inkscape. Most likely they will take a template. That's not necessarily better than AI either.
  - dgellow 7d ago
    A template is perfectly fine to use
  - johnnyanmac 7d ago
    I don't claim to be an artist and a template is still done with the caring eye of a professional. It's way better than an AI generated poster. Or at the very least, there's many less instances where I've seen overly used templates than I have badly designed AI generated designs.
    - HappMacDonald 6d ago
      > a template is still done with the caring eye of a professional .. except when those are also AI generated
  - account42 5d ago
    Why are you talking in hypotheticals when we have lived before the AIpocalypse and posters were not at all as horrible as they are now.

rpdillon 7d ago

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dgellow 7d ago
Step 1: develop a cult of personality, to the point of becoming president 2 (even after openly failing to coup a lost election) Step 2-3: sell anything to your cult followers, doesn’t matter how good or bad it is Step 4: profit Simple recipe for success
zahlman 6d ago
People really will take any possible excuse to derail a thread and talk about political figures they don't like, huh?
- rpdillon 6d ago
  It's not really about that, and it's not really a dunk, and it doesn't derail anything as far as I can tell. What we're discussing is the magnitude of the impact of the sorts of errors that AI makes in promotional material. When the President of the United States is actively promoting multi-hundred dollar items that are branded with his name and that have the same error that the parent commenter is complaining about, I think that's a worthwhile observation. What I'm trying to do is contrast the reality of what is actually being produced and bought by human beings, and what the parent commenter was suggesting was "huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever". It was extremely convenient that the exact critique they were leveling against this small business poster could also be leveled at such a high-profile product. You seem to think this is about Trump, but it's not. It's about low quality being the norm.

preg_match 7d ago

Those are, comparatively, small problems for the medium of a poster. You have to understand that 99% of people who will see the poster will view it for <5 seconds. They wont sit there and count the stars. And, of the people who do examine the poster closely, they’re looking at the text. They want to see the date, time, event details. The background is background.

dsego 7d ago
But what is the point of the background then? I mean, it seems like we're admitting that the design doesn't matter, then why keep up the ruse? Let's drop design, and keep just plain textual information. There is no substance to it, it's just performative, a simulacrum of design.
- preg_match 6d ago
  I would think to catch people's eye so they look in the first place, sort of similar to an ad. Which is also why we see AI slop work well in ads. And before AI slop, we had corpo slop. Just bright colors and wacky animated characters who all fit that archetype where their limbs are too big. So I do think the design takes a back seat, at least for the common case. Of course there are exceptions, and those exceptions are exceptional, but for most purposes slop works fine.

richk449 7d ago

This is the important part. Right now, AI is a tool. You can use it to generate high quality output, or you can use it to generate slop. If the output is slop, that is a reflection of the person using the tool, not AI. I get AI slop from employees sometimes. If they provide poor quality work that hasn't been proofread, that is an employee problem, not an AI problem.

johnnyanmac 7d ago
You know the saying where a million dollar company failing is "their" problem, but a billion dollar company failing is "our" problem? We're going to quickly approach that problem in the conning years at this current rate, like the obesity epidemic. At some point you can't just dismiss things as personal responsibility when a significant portion of society suffers from it and need to instead look at the underlying systematic issues empowering bad incentives. Of course, the US is awful at the latter. So I'm not holding my breath.
- richk449 6d ago
  I wholeheartedly agree. We are heading for troubled waters. All I can do is hold the people around me accountable for doing high quality work. But everywhere I look, there are too much incentive to just let AI do the thinking for you. My generation will be okay for the most part, since we spent decades thinking prior to AI. It is unclear if the next generations, that haven't already learned how to think, will ever learn.

doug_durham 7d ago

Not every poster has that issue as you can see from the posting. It is a simple matter of caring enough to look at the output in more detail. These are issues that can be overcome.

wiml 7d ago
Sure, but the basic value proposition of AI is that you don't have to care. These issues could be overcome, but they aren't, because the whole way the technology is promoted and sold guides the user away from caring.
- GolfPopper 7d ago
  One of the things that keeps circling in my mind when it comes to LLMs and similar transformer architectures is they are technically very impressive, and some of the things they can do are amazing, but there seems to be a compulsive need by the executives of corporations producing them to lie about their capabilities. I suspect that what drives the compulsive lying and exaggeration is that they know what LLMs can actually do is not worth the development and operating costs (at least for now), so, like Bernie Madoff, they pretend that they're more capable than they are in the hopes that the next round of investment will somehow bridge the gap and let them actually produce what they've been falsely promising their investors they can do, and make the whole thing worthwhile.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 7d ago
  Disagree. The value proposition of AI is that you can focus your caring on the things that matter, and let the machine do the dirty work.
eMpHaSe 6d ago
Absolutely. You need to tell the right things being exclusive on the poster to catch the really important facts.

zahlman 6d ago

> They're huge, obvious, and an indicator that the one who made the flyer didn't care whatsoever. Remember when this sort of ascending tricolon was supposed to be a dead giveaway for LLM-written prose?