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I don't understand this sentence, can you try again please? Are you saying Laya was built on research done by the Jev team?

• klibertp 13d ago
  Jev was built using the same architecture Laya's author proposed[1] in March 2025. Laya is an open-source system based on that research from a year ago. Whether Jev is also based on the OP's materials or independently invented is hard to say. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23303 https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23303
  • verdverm 13d ago
    the paper does not describe a model architecture, it describes a system built on embeddings, rag, and orchestrators they don't seem very similar to me
• water-drummer 13d ago
  No, OP thinks they independently discovered Jev's architecture a year ago and published a paper. I am not an expert but I don't think Typesafe has published Jev's architecture so OP's claims cannot be taken at face value.
  • cgio 13d ago
    It’s the other way around for me. OP has published everything in the open, so I can take him at face value. A PR media release on the other hand, I can accept with some reservations. The objective and non-conspiratorial reading I could offer is, this is most probably two independent discoveries of the same idea, maybe with different implementation. I still think the Jev team should look at prior art before going so hard on the marketing.
    • verdverm 13d ago
      if you look at the paper on arxiv, you might see why academics would pass it by another point of consideration might be if you are taking OP's local statements at face value over what the pre-Jev content actually contains The reddit commentary around OP's gripe is cringe imo https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1wijo3e/i_literally_built_the_jev_architecture_one_year/ https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1wijo3e/i_liter... if you want more cringe from OP, there's this gem https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49674396 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49674396
      • cgio 13d ago
        I don’t mind the cringe. I have access to the information, so I can tell for myself. That’s my definition of face value, not necessarily that I agree, but I am given all the information to make a judgement.
  • cmrdporcupine 13d ago
    Jev is only on people's mouths because they made friends with venture capitalists and used the publicity blowhorns that come with that. Whereas the other guy went through the unglorious but formerly respectable path of publishing software and papers for other professionals to look at. A year ago. We're in a bad place where the latter looks less reliable than the former. (EDIT: I'm not saying the research here is in fact the same as what "Jev" is doing; and Jev is in fact more "product shaped." But I think it's important to temper the hype and back up and focus on the fact that this whole industry is built on research by both academics and enthusiasts ... first ... and gold rushes can often bulldoze over those people who are focused primarily on making-doing-researching instead of fundraising-hyping-promoting. That's not good.)
    • verdverm 13d ago
      posting to arxiv is not publishing, it's a preprint site, and what's there I would not call professional work of academic quality This was a year ago, when we were all complaining about the arxiv slop, which led to the new vouching system. This paper would not make it to arxiv today, it would be a zenodo link since they have not instituted any gatekeeping