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So if you steal something it means the owner didn’t do a good job securing it and if you murder someone they didn’t do a good job protecting themselves? What a

So if you steal something it means the owner didn’t do a good job securing it and if you murder someone they didn’t do a good job protecting themselves? What an absurd world view.

CrimsonRain 12d ago
The diff is that owner is responsible for their own shit where a telco has everyone's things in there and is exposed to the whole world instead of just one street. It is like a bank that has sloppy security and exposes you to the whole world, including adversaries from Russia china NK etc. Things like Telco cloud banks should absolutely be thrashed for having bad security. Responsible disclosure should also be a thing but we all know these companies sue people for that too.
ExoticPearTree 12d ago
I have this view when it comes to computers and software, not physical property or people.
- Mistletoe 12d ago
  If your bank has shoddy software and a thief steals your money is that ok?
  - ExoticPearTree 12d ago
    I don’t care in that scenario, it is the bank’s fault, not mine. It is on them to make it right.
    - Craighead 12d ago
      It is this disconnected from reality attitude that gives technical people a bad reputation. Please reconsider your bad takes.
- zbentley 12d ago
  Does that extend to medical systems? If someone hacks my pacemaker and destabilizes my heart, or my pharmacy/hospital and prevents me from receiving medical care, is that something that should be legally permitted on the basis that "medical device makers/pharmacies/hospitals should try harder, and should somehow compensate their patients if a hack occurs"? How do you compensate someone who's dead? This isn't hypothetical: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/28/cyberattacks-u-s-hospitals-00075638 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/28/cyberattacks-u-s-ho...
  - ExoticPearTree 11d ago
    > Does that extend to medical systems? Anything network connected that can be reached by an adversary. And, I did not say it shoukd be legal or illegal, just that the fault lies with who administers/secures those systems, not with whoever breaches them. > How do you compensate someone who's dead? In some countries where I lived, there were pricelists based on nationality that insurance would pay out in case of accidental death. If you live in a more homogenous country, you can use other factors to determine what the payout should be.

So if you steal something it means the owner didn’t do a good job securing it and if you murder someone they didn’t do a good job protecting themselves? What an absurd world view.

CrimsonRain 12d ago

The diff is that owner is responsible for their own shit where a telco has everyone's things in there and is exposed to the whole world instead of just one street. It is like a bank that has sloppy security and exposes you to the whole world, including adversaries from Russia china NK etc. Things like Telco cloud banks should absolutely be thrashed for having bad security. Responsible disclosure should also be a thing but we all know these companies sue people for that too.

ExoticPearTree 12d ago

I have this view when it comes to computers and software, not physical property or people.

Mistletoe 12d ago
If your bank has shoddy software and a thief steals your money is that ok?
- ExoticPearTree 12d ago
  I don’t care in that scenario, it is the bank’s fault, not mine. It is on them to make it right.
  - Craighead 12d ago
    It is this disconnected from reality attitude that gives technical people a bad reputation. Please reconsider your bad takes.
zbentley 12d ago
Does that extend to medical systems? If someone hacks my pacemaker and destabilizes my heart, or my pharmacy/hospital and prevents me from receiving medical care, is that something that should be legally permitted on the basis that "medical device makers/pharmacies/hospitals should try harder, and should somehow compensate their patients if a hack occurs"? How do you compensate someone who's dead? This isn't hypothetical: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/28/cyberattacks-u-s-hospitals-00075638 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/28/cyberattacks-u-s-ho...
- ExoticPearTree 11d ago
  > Does that extend to medical systems? Anything network connected that can be reached by an adversary. And, I did not say it shoukd be legal or illegal, just that the fault lies with who administers/secures those systems, not with whoever breaches them. > How do you compensate someone who's dead? In some countries where I lived, there were pricelists based on nationality that insurance would pay out in case of accidental death. If you live in a more homogenous country, you can use other factors to determine what the payout should be.