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Flock seeks to shed whistleblowers via financially-motivated self selection > And we just want people to be safe. We’d all be safer if we were in jail (sorry

Flock seeks to shed whistleblowers via financially-motivated self selection > And we just want people to be safe. We’d all be safer if we were in jail (sorry to give the clown ideas)

akokanka 8d ago
Been to America the other week on IT conference honestly felt like I was in prison since the moment I landed my boots on your soil
- Varelion 8d ago
  A disturbing amount of people so not recognize the fact. An even higher percentage willingly supports their own disenfranchisement.
  - ElProlactin 8d ago
    It's amazing what easy access to meat, processed food and Walmart does to your brain.
    - ParentiSoundSys 7d ago
      It's the phones and the propaganda being streamed through them 24/7. And if your reaction is, "the rest of the Western world has that too," well, they're really not all that far behind us.
    - cyanydeez 7d ago
      AI is now the digital Walmart. It's basically proposing to do exactly what mom & pop found out, except everywhere on the internet.
- hyperlinerapp 7d ago
  What made you feel that way?
  - piva00 7d ago
    For me (not OP) a clear example I can give from a collage of my past three visits: arrive at JFK, get in the immigration queue, heavily armed agents walking around, some ICE agents looking tough surrounding the area, someone is directing the queue like we are cattle. Get to the immigration officer, answer questions, get a cold stare a few times looking at me and my passport, unpleasantly asked why do I have two passports (I'm a dual citizen), told I don't look Swedish (of course, I'm naturalised), get told to wait, they leave to get someone else to check something, two immigration officers start shuffling my passport, wait while no one talks to me or acknowledge I'm there, passport stamped and I get told to "move". Get my bags, and out of the terminal, on the walk through the terminal there's another 15-20 officers with rifles strutting around, get out of the terminal and there are two massive armoured cars from NYPD parked up front, more cops looking a bit tough. It's an overwhelming presence of "security" everywhere, signs plastered with messages about how illegal stuff will be punished (littering, leaving your bags unattended, smoking, every message seems to say something about "under penalty of the law"). I think if you live with that all the time it's easy to filter out the noise but there's an eery feeling of oppression all around, like a boot is just waiting the right moment to stomp on you.
    - SubmarineClub 7d ago
      Maybe Sweden is different from every other country I’ve visited in Europe…but having traveled quite extensively in the EU, most countries I’ve been to don’t feel much different than the US. Very immigration officer I’ve ever interacted with has been chilly, it’s not some uniquely American thing. Pretty much every rail station I went through in Europe had extremely (to my eyes) heavily armed guards standing around. I was also asked to present my passport on several occasions. At one Italian station, it happed twice within a few minutes. I’ve been on multiple trains where some flavor of police comes on, checks people’s papers, and then grab some guy and escort him off at the next stop.
      - piva00 7d ago
        I don't mind the stern-looking armed security or immigration officers, it just feels different in the USA. Being chilly is different than being told to "move", I have never experienced such attitude getting into Schengen, at most it's a mostly quiet stern encounter. It's very hard to express in text the feeling of oppression, it's not about just armed security, it's the attitude of those, it's the attitude of the people representing the State, it feels much more adversarial in the USA than anywhere I've been in Europe. Also, it's not about being asked to present a passport but presenting a legitimate passport and being met with "you don't look Swedish". Perhaps you are just too accustomed to the feeling of the USA, as an outsider it does feel different, and way more oppressive.
- joinHNtheysaid 7d ago
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- pseudohadamard 7d ago
  Interesting you should say that, friend of mine transited through the US recently (overnight stay before a connecting flight) after having not been there for some years and described the experience as "very unnerving". Since she was messaging from inside the US she didn't want to say any more, but I'm expecting a more detailed report once she lands at the other end.
ahartmetz 7d ago
> And we just want people to be safe. Heh. Real-world occurrence of Silicon Valley "We just want to make the world a better place" (also $billions, mainly that actually)

Flock seeks to shed whistleblowers via financially-motivated self selection > And we just want people to be safe. We’d all be safer if we were in jail (sorry to give the clown ideas)

akokanka 8d ago

Been to America the other week on IT conference honestly felt like I was in prison since the moment I landed my boots on your soil

Varelion 8d ago
A disturbing amount of people so not recognize the fact. An even higher percentage willingly supports their own disenfranchisement.
- ElProlactin 8d ago
  It's amazing what easy access to meat, processed food and Walmart does to your brain.
  - ParentiSoundSys 7d ago
    It's the phones and the propaganda being streamed through them 24/7. And if your reaction is, "the rest of the Western world has that too," well, they're really not all that far behind us.
  - cyanydeez 7d ago
    AI is now the digital Walmart. It's basically proposing to do exactly what mom & pop found out, except everywhere on the internet.
hyperlinerapp 7d ago
What made you feel that way?
- piva00 7d ago
  For me (not OP) a clear example I can give from a collage of my past three visits: arrive at JFK, get in the immigration queue, heavily armed agents walking around, some ICE agents looking tough surrounding the area, someone is directing the queue like we are cattle. Get to the immigration officer, answer questions, get a cold stare a few times looking at me and my passport, unpleasantly asked why do I have two passports (I'm a dual citizen), told I don't look Swedish (of course, I'm naturalised), get told to wait, they leave to get someone else to check something, two immigration officers start shuffling my passport, wait while no one talks to me or acknowledge I'm there, passport stamped and I get told to "move". Get my bags, and out of the terminal, on the walk through the terminal there's another 15-20 officers with rifles strutting around, get out of the terminal and there are two massive armoured cars from NYPD parked up front, more cops looking a bit tough. It's an overwhelming presence of "security" everywhere, signs plastered with messages about how illegal stuff will be punished (littering, leaving your bags unattended, smoking, every message seems to say something about "under penalty of the law"). I think if you live with that all the time it's easy to filter out the noise but there's an eery feeling of oppression all around, like a boot is just waiting the right moment to stomp on you.
  - SubmarineClub 7d ago
    Maybe Sweden is different from every other country I’ve visited in Europe…but having traveled quite extensively in the EU, most countries I’ve been to don’t feel much different than the US. Very immigration officer I’ve ever interacted with has been chilly, it’s not some uniquely American thing. Pretty much every rail station I went through in Europe had extremely (to my eyes) heavily armed guards standing around. I was also asked to present my passport on several occasions. At one Italian station, it happed twice within a few minutes. I’ve been on multiple trains where some flavor of police comes on, checks people’s papers, and then grab some guy and escort him off at the next stop.
    - piva00 7d ago
      I don't mind the stern-looking armed security or immigration officers, it just feels different in the USA. Being chilly is different than being told to "move", I have never experienced such attitude getting into Schengen, at most it's a mostly quiet stern encounter. It's very hard to express in text the feeling of oppression, it's not about just armed security, it's the attitude of those, it's the attitude of the people representing the State, it feels much more adversarial in the USA than anywhere I've been in Europe. Also, it's not about being asked to present a passport but presenting a legitimate passport and being met with "you don't look Swedish". Perhaps you are just too accustomed to the feeling of the USA, as an outsider it does feel different, and way more oppressive.
joinHNtheysaid 7d ago
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pseudohadamard 7d ago
Interesting you should say that, friend of mine transited through the US recently (overnight stay before a connecting flight) after having not been there for some years and described the experience as "very unnerving". Since she was messaging from inside the US she didn't want to say any more, but I'm expecting a more detailed report once she lands at the other end.

ahartmetz 7d ago

> And we just want people to be safe. Heh. Real-world occurrence of Silicon Valley "We just want to make the world a better place" (also $billions, mainly that actually)