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The driver was acting on behalf of Uber and was found to have acted in a negligent manner. Whose fault was this, if not Uber’s? If not $40M, what should this yo

The driver was acting on behalf of Uber and was found to have acted in a negligent manner. Whose fault was this, if not Uber’s? If not $40M, what should this young woman’s life be valued at?

alex43578 14d ago
The driver's fault. Is there any evidence it was Uber's policies or actions that caused this? The US government values a statistical life at anywhere from $7 to $12M. Is there any evidence that this woman's lifetime earnings would've exceeded that? If it's a "feels" argument, why not $80M or $200M?
- tmnvix 14d ago
  Lifetime earnings? That is a very poor measure of a person's life.
  - 90d 14d ago
    That's what happens when you live in a company, not a country.
    - alex43578 14d ago
      As compared to your implied view where any amount of money can appear from thin air, and law should be dictated exclusively by feelings?
  - alex43578 14d ago
    It's an economic measure for what should be an economic question. Taking the statistical value of a human life as a baseline feels pretty fair, and adjusting it upwards for special circumstances seems reasonable. Are you arguing that because she was a nice person, she should be worth more? If she was a mean person, should she be worth less?
    - Henchman21 14d ago
      Why do you discount “pain and suffering” entirely?
- 1659447091 14d ago
  > The US government values a statistical life at anywhere from $7 to $12M. Is there any evidence that this woman's lifetime earnings would've exceeded that? Thats not what that means. "... when conducting a benefit-cost analysis of new environmental policies, the Agency uses estimates of how much people are willing to pay for small reductions in their risks of dying from adverse health conditions that may be caused by environmental pollution. [...] these estimates of willingness to pay for small reductions in mortality risks are often referred to as the "value of a statistical life.”[0] > Is there any evidence it was Uber's policies or actions that caused this? The arbitrator/judge believed there was enough that the company was legally responsible for the conduct and issued a fine to the company for that failure of responsibility to be paid to the parents -- not because he decided that was how much she was worth [0] https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation#means https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v...
  - alex43578 14d ago
    That's about the closest value you'll find to what human life is economically valued at. Do you have an alternate measure that is grounded in anything?
    - Henchman21 14d ago
      Tying human life to a monetary calue as you have done is… well obviously not popular. But honestly, what the actual fuck dude? A woman died and you’re quibbling about how much she might have made working? What about the pain and loss her family felt upon learning she died because she was left on a fucking freeway? That’s worth nothing in your eyes? If that’s the case you should do the following: Take a nice long look in the mirror and please internalize the fact that it is people like you that are the literal problem with humanity. I don’t know how you got to that point and I don’t care. Please invest some time in cultivating empathy for your fellows. If you don’t know how try a Hero’s Journey worth of psilocybin.
      - alex43578 13d ago
        This hyperbolic empathy is always interesting to me. There are 100+ fatal traffic accidents each day. Basically none of them will make the news, and almost none of them will result in a 40m+ payout. Where is your empathy for the 99 other people that died on that day in similar (or even more tragic circumstances)? Why are their lives less important in the eyes of the courts, in monetary terms, and in public opinion?

The driver was acting on behalf of Uber and was found to have acted in a negligent manner. Whose fault was this, if not Uber’s? If not $40M, what should this young woman’s life be valued at?

alex43578 14d ago

The driver's fault. Is there any evidence it was Uber's policies or actions that caused this? The US government values a statistical life at anywhere from $7 to $12M. Is there any evidence that this woman's lifetime earnings would've exceeded that? If it's a "feels" argument, why not $80M or $200M?

tmnvix 14d ago
Lifetime earnings? That is a very poor measure of a person's life.
- 90d 14d ago
  That's what happens when you live in a company, not a country.
  - alex43578 14d ago
    As compared to your implied view where any amount of money can appear from thin air, and law should be dictated exclusively by feelings?
- alex43578 14d ago
  It's an economic measure for what should be an economic question. Taking the statistical value of a human life as a baseline feels pretty fair, and adjusting it upwards for special circumstances seems reasonable. Are you arguing that because she was a nice person, she should be worth more? If she was a mean person, should she be worth less?
  - Henchman21 14d ago
    Why do you discount “pain and suffering” entirely?
1659447091 14d ago
> The US government values a statistical life at anywhere from $7 to $12M. Is there any evidence that this woman's lifetime earnings would've exceeded that? Thats not what that means. "... when conducting a benefit-cost analysis of new environmental policies, the Agency uses estimates of how much people are willing to pay for small reductions in their risks of dying from adverse health conditions that may be caused by environmental pollution. [...] these estimates of willingness to pay for small reductions in mortality risks are often referred to as the "value of a statistical life.”[0] > Is there any evidence it was Uber's policies or actions that caused this? The arbitrator/judge believed there was enough that the company was legally responsible for the conduct and issued a fine to the company for that failure of responsibility to be paid to the parents -- not because he decided that was how much she was worth [0] https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-valuation#means https://www.epa.gov/environmental-economics/mortality-risk-v...
- alex43578 14d ago
  That's about the closest value you'll find to what human life is economically valued at. Do you have an alternate measure that is grounded in anything?
  - Henchman21 14d ago
    Tying human life to a monetary calue as you have done is… well obviously not popular. But honestly, what the actual fuck dude? A woman died and you’re quibbling about how much she might have made working? What about the pain and loss her family felt upon learning she died because she was left on a fucking freeway? That’s worth nothing in your eyes? If that’s the case you should do the following: Take a nice long look in the mirror and please internalize the fact that it is people like you that are the literal problem with humanity. I don’t know how you got to that point and I don’t care. Please invest some time in cultivating empathy for your fellows. If you don’t know how try a Hero’s Journey worth of psilocybin.
    - alex43578 13d ago
      This hyperbolic empathy is always interesting to me. There are 100+ fatal traffic accidents each day. Basically none of them will make the news, and almost none of them will result in a 40m+ payout. Where is your empathy for the 99 other people that died on that day in similar (or even more tragic circumstances)? Why are their lives less important in the eyes of the courts, in monetary terms, and in public opinion?