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Alternatively, Netbird has been a dream to use over the last half year or so. I think their server software has had some hiccups on new releases, but I stagger

by 0x1ch 8d ago

Alternatively, Netbird has been a dream to use over the last half year or so. I think their server software has had some hiccups on new releases, but I stagger those updates anyways. All self hosted, similar concept to Tailscale, very good management UI baked into the self hosted product.

garettmd 8d ago
Netbird's great. I've been using Pangolin (https://pangolin.net/ https://pangolin.net/) lately for my homelab. It's very similar in functionality to Netbird, but I like the UX of it better.
- 0x1ch 8d ago
  Also a very good alternative. I went on a spree and tried out all of the self hostable alternatives and this was definitely a runner up to netbird. The self hosted tailscale is also good, just not as polished as these two projects are.
- nickspacek 7d ago
  Switched from Pangolin to Netbird recently and enjoy Netbird more!
  - BOOSTERHIDROGEN 7d ago
    Which features do you specifically benefit from?
drcongo 8d ago
I switched from Tailscale to Netbird purely because of Tailscale's bizarre pricing tiers - I wanted just the SSH features, with multiple users, but the paid tier up from free didn't include the SSH features.
- 0x1ch 8d ago
  I think Tailscale would've fit my needs perfectly fine, but the management makes access control and grouping dead simple in netbird. It also generates a nice little map of your peers, their groups, and connected nodes etc. Quick visual on your topology.
- allthetime 7d ago
  What ssh features? You can have a hundred devices connected for free and they can all just ssh to each other directly
  - drcongo 6d ago
    With more than 3 users?
drakenot 7d ago
For those who use Netbird or Pangolin, I'm trying to understand where it would come in handy over my Wireguard-Easy setup with my phone & laptops configured to connect to my Wireguard network externally. Is this primarily for multi-user scenarios or complex setups?
- usagisushi 7d ago
  Both support multi-user setups with SSO or built-in auth. Beyond that, compared to a typical hub-and-spoke WireGuard setup, the main advantage is peer-to-peer connectivity. Clients connect directly to each other when possible, which lowers latency by bypassing a central relay. AFAIK, they also have different origins: Pangolin started as an internet-facing reverse proxy (Traefik) combined with a WireGuard server for backend nodes. It has gradually added VPN-like features, including client device access and an internal HTTPS proxy similar to Tailscale Serve. NetBird is a self-hostable Tailscale alternative that started as a mesh VPN focused on P2P traffic. It recently added its own reverse proxy features (Traefik-based, coincidentally), also similar to Tailscale Serve. Pangolin is centered on endpoint and ingress management, while NetBird focuses on mesh networking, though their feature sets are increasingly converging.

by 0x1ch 8d ago

garettmd 8d ago

Netbird's great. I've been using Pangolin (https://pangolin.net/ https://pangolin.net/) lately for my homelab. It's very similar in functionality to Netbird, but I like the UX of it better.

0x1ch 8d ago
Also a very good alternative. I went on a spree and tried out all of the self hostable alternatives and this was definitely a runner up to netbird. The self hosted tailscale is also good, just not as polished as these two projects are.
nickspacek 7d ago
Switched from Pangolin to Netbird recently and enjoy Netbird more!
- BOOSTERHIDROGEN 7d ago
  Which features do you specifically benefit from?

drcongo 8d ago

I switched from Tailscale to Netbird purely because of Tailscale's bizarre pricing tiers - I wanted just the SSH features, with multiple users, but the paid tier up from free didn't include the SSH features.

0x1ch 8d ago
I think Tailscale would've fit my needs perfectly fine, but the management makes access control and grouping dead simple in netbird. It also generates a nice little map of your peers, their groups, and connected nodes etc. Quick visual on your topology.
allthetime 7d ago
What ssh features? You can have a hundred devices connected for free and they can all just ssh to each other directly
- drcongo 6d ago
  With more than 3 users?

drakenot 7d ago

For those who use Netbird or Pangolin, I'm trying to understand where it would come in handy over my Wireguard-Easy setup with my phone & laptops configured to connect to my Wireguard network externally. Is this primarily for multi-user scenarios or complex setups?

usagisushi 7d ago
Both support multi-user setups with SSO or built-in auth. Beyond that, compared to a typical hub-and-spoke WireGuard setup, the main advantage is peer-to-peer connectivity. Clients connect directly to each other when possible, which lowers latency by bypassing a central relay. AFAIK, they also have different origins: Pangolin started as an internet-facing reverse proxy (Traefik) combined with a WireGuard server for backend nodes. It has gradually added VPN-like features, including client device access and an internal HTTPS proxy similar to Tailscale Serve. NetBird is a self-hostable Tailscale alternative that started as a mesh VPN focused on P2P traffic. It recently added its own reverse proxy features (Traefik-based, coincidentally), also similar to Tailscale Serve. Pangolin is centered on endpoint and ingress management, while NetBird focuses on mesh networking, though their feature sets are increasingly converging.