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Yikes. That’s some deep entitlement. Unfortunately in the real world there’s this thing called money, and we exchange it for goods and services. The reason inf

by cush 8d ago

Yikes. That’s some deep entitlement. Unfortunately in the real world there’s this thing called money, and we exchange it for goods and services. The reason information isn’t free is because it costs time to produce it and people need to be fed. If you believe that a creator doesn’t need to consent and doesn’t deserve credit or compensation for their work, then you’re likely not someone who has many fundamental needs unmet These AI companies actively chose not to get consent from creators and earn billions from their content with no compensation.

armchairhacker 8d ago
In the past, but today fewer people are getting paid less this way. Would you rather resurrect IP law, or find some new way to pay creators, then finish killing it?
- avidruntime 8d ago
  > In the past, but today fewer people are getting paid less this way. There has never been more content creators making a living off their content than there is today. Look no further than these enormous platforms with ad rev sharing options for contributors producing UGC. > Would you rather resurrect IP law, or find some new way to pay creators, then finish killing it? Uploading content online and getting a cut of ad revenue fits this criteria, no? The idea that we would scrap IP law and rewrite it from scratch is the very definition of tossing the baby out with the bathwater, IMO.
  - TeMPOraL 8d ago
    > There has never been more content creators making a living off their content than there is today. Look no further than these enormous platforms with ad rev sharing options for contributors producing UGC. And you think anyone is actually making a living this way? It's one of the most extreme winner-take-all markets, even worse than sports and music. Top .1% maybe can live off it, everyone else also has an actual job that pays the bills.
  - armchairhacker 7d ago
    Ad revenue is declining. Most creators make money off sponsorships and Patreon.
r3trohack3r 8d ago
IIUC, the question at hand is: does training require a special, separate, license or can you legally acquire a work and then use it for training? I.E. Anthropic can not pirate a bunch of books and then use those for training, but it can legally purchase the same books and then use those purchased books for training.
- cush 7d ago
  > does training require a special, separate, license or can you legally acquire a work and then use it for training? No. But it's not about current precedence or legality because the legal framework for accurately (according to general moral and societal acceptance) is decades behind where it needs to be. The courts will decide over the next few years.

by cush 8d ago

armchairhacker 8d ago

In the past, but today fewer people are getting paid less this way. Would you rather resurrect IP law, or find some new way to pay creators, then finish killing it?

avidruntime 8d ago
> In the past, but today fewer people are getting paid less this way. There has never been more content creators making a living off their content than there is today. Look no further than these enormous platforms with ad rev sharing options for contributors producing UGC. > Would you rather resurrect IP law, or find some new way to pay creators, then finish killing it? Uploading content online and getting a cut of ad revenue fits this criteria, no? The idea that we would scrap IP law and rewrite it from scratch is the very definition of tossing the baby out with the bathwater, IMO.
- TeMPOraL 8d ago
  > There has never been more content creators making a living off their content than there is today. Look no further than these enormous platforms with ad rev sharing options for contributors producing UGC. And you think anyone is actually making a living this way? It's one of the most extreme winner-take-all markets, even worse than sports and music. Top .1% maybe can live off it, everyone else also has an actual job that pays the bills.
- armchairhacker 7d ago
  Ad revenue is declining. Most creators make money off sponsorships and Patreon.

r3trohack3r 8d ago

IIUC, the question at hand is: does training require a special, separate, license or can you legally acquire a work and then use it for training? I.E. Anthropic can not pirate a bunch of books and then use those for training, but it can legally purchase the same books and then use those purchased books for training.

cush 7d ago
> does training require a special, separate, license or can you legally acquire a work and then use it for training? No. But it's not about current precedence or legality because the legal framework for accurately (according to general moral and societal acceptance) is decades behind where it needs to be. The courts will decide over the next few years.