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A non self sufficient society, where anyone but the richest have to rely on another country for food is a failed society.

eru 7d ago
Approximately no city is self-sufficient in terms of food. Singapore is no exception. Does that mean all cities are failed societies? Or do you think national borders are special?
- MiroslavPokorny 7d ago
  I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. We all live significantly longer, but at the same time we all are forced to give our precious time to the city and its ills, with commuting and traffic a simple example. I hope I am fair in saying you probably consider Tokyo to be a success, and yet if you actually look how Tokyo residents live its actually a depressing place. Everybody rushes to school, work, unis and so on every day and come home tired. Rinse and repeat for the vast majority of days in a year. Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. You will find videos filled with people rushing to their duties not out of choice but because the system forces them too. Very few scenes will have someone walking their dog, or riding a bike. I think its sad how few Japanese are able to have a day off, even the elderly work into their 80s and longer. Thats a failure, too few people able to have a day off, thousands crossing roads, catching trains but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time.
  - eru 7d ago
    > I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. People are usually not exactly forced at gunpoint to move to a big city. In fact, big cities usually get a lot of net-immigration. > Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. I've been to Tokyo. It's ok. But then, I'm one of those weirdos who likes city living, and lived in London, Ankara, Sydney, Singapore etc. > [...] but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time. How do you know that?
- well_ackshually 7d ago
  Singapore isn't a city, it's a state. That happens to be the size of a city. You wouldn't say that New York is a failed state, because it doesn't make sense, and because the rest of the united states is able to feed it.

eru 7d ago

Approximately no city is self-sufficient in terms of food. Singapore is no exception. Does that mean all cities are failed societies? Or do you think national borders are special?

MiroslavPokorny 7d ago
I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. We all live significantly longer, but at the same time we all are forced to give our precious time to the city and its ills, with commuting and traffic a simple example. I hope I am fair in saying you probably consider Tokyo to be a success, and yet if you actually look how Tokyo residents live its actually a depressing place. Everybody rushes to school, work, unis and so on every day and come home tired. Rinse and repeat for the vast majority of days in a year. Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. You will find videos filled with people rushing to their duties not out of choice but because the system forces them too. Very few scenes will have someone walking their dog, or riding a bike. I think its sad how few Japanese are able to have a day off, even the elderly work into their 80s and longer. Thats a failure, too few people able to have a day off, thousands crossing roads, catching trains but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time.
- eru 7d ago
  > I think many large cities, to keep this simple are failed because they dont serve the people but rather require the residents to be enslaved to keep it functioning. People are usually not exactly forced at gunpoint to move to a big city. In fact, big cities usually get a lot of net-immigration. > Thats sad, goto YT and watch a few vids of youtubers catching trains or riding a bike or even just plain walking. I've been to Tokyo. It's ok. But then, I'm one of those weirdos who likes city living, and lived in London, Ankara, Sydney, Singapore etc. > [...] but nobody actually enjoying their hard earned time. How do you know that?
well_ackshually 7d ago
Singapore isn't a city, it's a state. That happens to be the size of a city. You wouldn't say that New York is a failed state, because it doesn't make sense, and because the rest of the united states is able to feed it.